Long live Lenin, long live the Soviet motherland!

Most humans aren’t vegan for three reasons:

  1. Material conditions. As a child, I saw children being kind to stray cats and dogs by feeding them. From what my parents said, they saw kids abusing stray animals and birds. So with better material conditions, people’s treatment of animals changes.

  2. Social norms. For men, being vegan is sometimes a “feminine” thing. For women, refusing to cook carnist food for your husband is unwelcome (at best) and dangerous (at worst).

  3. Consumerism. You’re conditioned to eat burgers, you’re brainwashed to believe you need meat, your TV series never show vegans in good light (haha their food is boring XDDDD). The animal-industrial complex funds disinformation think tanks, assassinations, lobbyists to keep their business afloat.

Is there “natural” speciesism? No idea.

If humans are heartless by nature, then they must at least reduce animal ag to simply not destroy our planet and public health. They don’t do that. To me it looks like animal ag propaganda is not only hostile to anti-speciesism, but to any reforms. Even environmentalists can’t stop animal ag. So maybe there is hope to make the world vegan, after the world become socialist?

Lots of carnists pretend to be socially progressive, but eating meat is as bad as racism or transphobia. So you’re not socially progressive if you eat meat (or dairy, or eggs). We know that the proletariat is very conservative these days, we must convince them to fight for socialism. For that, all successful movements like the Bolsheviks allowed socially conservative folk to join. No revolution succeeded without your woodworker Ivan and farmer Vladimir, who still have reactionary ideas. These ideas will disappear. So we should ok carnist leftists until capitalism is dead, unless they are actively counterrevolutionary.

  • ButtBidet [he/him]@hexbear.netM
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    7 months ago

    As a child, I saw children coming from poorer places be more cruel to animals (and humans).

    I don’t think this is a helpful post. And im-vegan

  • GinAndJuche@hexbear.net
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    7 months ago

    This probably falls under 1, but maybe a sub point: class. The less access to education a person has the less ability they have in learn the things that help deprogram the carnism society promotes. And some people are just deeply uncurious and need to be force fed the knowledge regardless of education. But I hope that most people would make the switch if they simply knew