• NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social
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    8 months ago

    Because Israel and Iran are enemies and have been in a state of semi-war for ages? And because Israel is an Apartheid state whose raison d’etre is ethnic cleansing?

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      8 months ago

      So Iran can fund jihad against Judaism itself, and it’s Israel’s fault?

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        8 months ago

        Talking about the “initial fault” in this conflict is moot. We’re at a point, where both sides can reasonably point to some events in the past and blame the other side for the conflict.

        Fact is, Iran is a theocratic dictatorship and its allies are religious fanatic militias, while Israel is a liberal democracy, supported by pretty much all of The West™. Of course the expectations towards Israel regarding human rights and international law are slightly higher. And let’s be honest, what Israel is doing right now is certainly not helping calming the situation, or even making long term peace.

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          8 months ago

          I don’t know if I fully buy that argument.

          If somebody supports Israel, they are supporting a genocide based on perceived land needs of the Israeli people.

          If somebody supports Palestine, they are supporting a genocide based on the outright extermination of the Jewish people, funded by Iran and Qatar.

          I don’t think we can get anywhere unless all of us as leftists acknowledge that the Jews of Israel will be in the same position the people of Palestine are in right now if we don’t thread the needle of support and guess what? We are not fucking threading that needle.

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            8 months ago

            If somebody supports Palestine, they are supporting a genocide based on the outright extermination of the Jewish people, funded by Iran and Qatar.

            What? No significant player in Palestine is trying to do that.

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              8 months ago

              If we pretend the “elected” government of Palestine is in significant than sure.

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                8 months ago

                Uh… Hamas has tried to make peace with Israel before. Multiple times. Including two attempts to hand over Gaza to the PA and start peace negotiations. Israel has refused all of them.

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                    8 months ago

                    Uh… They are? Hamas has stated what they consider an acceptable ceasefire by listing their bare minimum “if we don’t get this there’s no point” demands and Israel keeps rejecting them. It’s Israel refusing to compromise here.

                    Also you ignored my reply.