• eltrain123@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        51
        arrow-down
        12
        ·
        8 months ago

        Do what you want, but don’t kid yourself into thinking you’ll help the situation by exercising a vote for Trump, 3rd party, or abstaining from voting. Expect a lot worse treatment for Palestine, its citizenry, and other middle eastern countries from his opponent.

        That being said, you may not have to worry about who you’ll vote for ever again if the fascists gain control… you’ll have a lot of other things to worry about, but voting won’t be one of them.

      • crusa187
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        7
        arrow-down
        16
        ·
        edit-2
        8 months ago

        I’ll vote 3rd party with you. Don’t be dissuaded by the neoliberal hate machine, we have a right to choose something better. Maybe if enough of us believe that, we could have it.

        • danc4498@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          8
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          8 months ago

          Not everybody voting against Trump are neoliberals. We just believe a 2nd Trump term will be significantly worse than a 2nd Biden term.

          Voting 3rd party is just a way to make you feel like you’ve done something good without actually doing anything good. Fact is, are only 2 parties in this country.

    • Varyk@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      22
      arrow-down
      104
      ·
      8 months ago

      “I’m only voting for you because you’re my preferred candidate.”

      …uh huh

      Voting.

      • Godort@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        129
        arrow-down
        12
        ·
        8 months ago

        What if the other side is also genocide along with totalitarian fascist rule?

        • Drinvictus@discuss.tchncs.de
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          24
          arrow-down
          118
          ·
          edit-2
          8 months ago

          You still would be voting for a self proclaimed non-Jewish Zionist whose pockets are lined by Israel to commit genocide. Don’t let any “other side” or bullshit “trolley problem” argument take that away from you. At least have the balls to own it. This whole purely pragmatic approach to “lesser evil dilemma” is what brought Biden to power in the first place. But yeah surely next time it’ll be better. Doesn’t matter how many people die because “Orange man bad”.

          Since I couldn’t get the message across on my first comment, let me repeat myself. There is no lesser evil when it comes to genocide.

          • darharrison@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            51
            arrow-down
            8
            ·
            edit-2
            8 months ago

            Trump would absolutely make the genocide significantly worse than the track it’s currently on if he wins. And he’s gonna make life in the US worse too. The “both sides are equally bad” rhetoric has absolutely failed over the last 8 years. If he lost in 2016 the entire world would be on a completely different track and if you don’t want to believe it then I’m confident that you don’t actually know the differences in policy and ideologies between the Democratic and Republican parties.

            And before anyone says I’m accuses me of being a liberal, I’m a libertarian socialist and I’m registered to the Socialist Party of Massachusetts. I voted Bernie in both primaries then Green Party in 2016 (which I’ve come to regret even though Clinton was going to win my home state by a huge margin) then Biden in 2020. I voted this way in '20 because while Biden ignores socialists Trump wants them all dead.

            • naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              11
              arrow-down
              20
              ·
              8 months ago

              Socialism without revolution is a fringe and hopeless endeavour. It requires fundamentally changing the mechanisms by which the economy functions.

          • KidnappedByKitties@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            48
            arrow-down
            5
            ·
            8 months ago

            There is no lesser evil when it comes to genocide.

            This is obviously untrue. If the option a) is genocide and b) is genocide and also dismantling the methods to protest it, methods to oust the decision makers, dismantling national security in resources and relationships, at the same time as blatantly plundering both the pockets of citizens and communal coffers, there’s very obviously a more evil option.

            Equivocation and black-white thinking is comfortable, but there are still shades of brown when the shit has hit the fan.

            In the best of worlds you wouldn’t be in this situation, now you are, make the better choice.

      • Sanctus@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        47
        arrow-down
        8
        ·
        8 months ago

        Yeah so let’s elect a man that said he’d be a dictator to the highest office and put him in charge of the largest military on the globe. Sounds like a nice alternative in our facsimile of democracy.

        • jumjummy@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          11
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          8 months ago

          Lemmy sure does seem to have a more vocal insane minority that are either Russian shills, or just want to burn down the US. This is my biggest issue with the fediverse.

          Anyone who claims Trump and Biden are the same is just a fool.

          • Sanctus@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            8 months ago

            There is no purpose to that line of thinking in our election system. They believe you should vote for who you truly want and do not compromise. In a perfect world this is how it would be. We do not inhabit a perfect world, it is our job to build towards it. The only thing to do in the interim is to make sure the American Empire is not brandished as a sword of Trump’s will and push to change the way we vote to a ranked system. It is easier to start this ranked movement locally and then take it to the feds.

          • VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            8 months ago

            Yeah a lot of people here are ideologues without a real ideology, they don’t really have much interest in actually making things better they’re just desperate to feel superior to the rest of us. Basically conspiracy theory mentality ‘I know the real truth and you’re all dumb’ but ‘I’m more ideologically pure than you’ that’s why it’s always such extreme and totally one sided - they won’t interact with the reality because it makes it harder to feel so correct when you admit things like this conflict is incredibly complex politically and morally