If you have all the information, educate me. I have a hard time understanding people who don’t dispute their is a genocide in Gaza, yet they still vote shame anti genocide voters.
Do you believe Biden and Israel is committing a full on genocide in Gaza but trump will start genocides in other places so it’s better to vote Biden?
Or do you believe what Biden and Israel are doing is relatively minor and would be much worse under a trump presidency?
OK, just to clarify, you believe Biden has no leavage to stop Israel and they aren’t reliant on the tens of billions in weapons aid or the diplomatic help we gift them?
I don’t necessarily disagree with that. I would hope Biden has leverage, Israel is a client state after all. But it’s also true that the Israeli government is fiercely independent as you said earlier.
If the US weapon shipements don’t matter to Israel, Biden should hold shipments while he investigates crimes of genocide. He should also withhold diplomatic cover. That will help Biden at home, he can better show he’s trying to stop the genocide. And it may even get the far RW government ruling over Israel voted out of office. Biden is the best candidate in 2024, but I believe he can only win if he proves he’s doing everything to help the ME stay out of war. And what he has been doing isn’t enough IMO.
I think the difference between us, you’d rather blame voters and I’d rather blame leaders. I used to blame voters as well until I realized very online people, who engage in politics, live in a different reality from average voters. And very online people are a tiny minority of voters. Most voters hate spending time learning about politics. If you don’t believe me, do phone banking, talk to normal voters.
So when I’m say things like Joe Biden is risking this election being complicit with genocide, I’m not predicting how very online people are going to vote. I’m saying average voters seeing a horrible genocide, seeing the world on fire, are going to be less likely to vote for the one currently in the oval office.
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If you have all the information, educate me. I have a hard time understanding people who don’t dispute their is a genocide in Gaza, yet they still vote shame anti genocide voters.
Do you believe Biden and Israel is committing a full on genocide in Gaza but trump will start genocides in other places so it’s better to vote Biden?
Or do you believe what Biden and Israel are doing is relatively minor and would be much worse under a trump presidency?
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OK, just to clarify, you believe Biden has no leavage to stop Israel and they aren’t reliant on the tens of billions in weapons aid or the diplomatic help we gift them?
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I don’t necessarily disagree with that. I would hope Biden has leverage, Israel is a client state after all. But it’s also true that the Israeli government is fiercely independent as you said earlier.
If the US weapon shipements don’t matter to Israel, Biden should hold shipments while he investigates crimes of genocide. He should also withhold diplomatic cover. That will help Biden at home, he can better show he’s trying to stop the genocide. And it may even get the far RW government ruling over Israel voted out of office. Biden is the best candidate in 2024, but I believe he can only win if he proves he’s doing everything to help the ME stay out of war. And what he has been doing isn’t enough IMO.
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I think the difference between us, you’d rather blame voters and I’d rather blame leaders. I used to blame voters as well until I realized very online people, who engage in politics, live in a different reality from average voters. And very online people are a tiny minority of voters. Most voters hate spending time learning about politics. If you don’t believe me, do phone banking, talk to normal voters.
So when I’m say things like Joe Biden is risking this election being complicit with genocide, I’m not predicting how very online people are going to vote. I’m saying average voters seeing a horrible genocide, seeing the world on fire, are going to be less likely to vote for the one currently in the oval office.
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