A shooting at a bar in a popular outdoor mall in a Miami suburb early Saturday left two dead and seven injured.
According to local law enforcement, an altercation at a martini bar at the CityPlace Doral complex broke out around 3:30 a.m. Saturday, prompting a security guard working the scene to intervene. A man involved in the altercation subsequently produced a gun and shot and killed the guard.
“You start hearing shots. And it wasn’t one. It was one after another, after another, after another,” recalled Peter Andres Jordan, who was in the bar at the time.
Two police officers then shot and killed the alleged gunman, but not before one officer and six bystanders — five men and a woman, according to police — were wounded in the shootout.
And please ignore every other country who has done this successfully. Illegal guns are extremely easy to have in the US specifically because guns are everywhere. The enormous effort to track which one’s are allowed isn’t working.
America is the only first world country with this daily problem.
Australia had a 60% turn in rate on their 1 million firearms in civ hands when they did their forced confiscation. Do you know what 40% of 450+ million firearms is? Do you also want to start a civil war by telling the police, that kill 1k of us a year, to go forcefully into everyones homes to confiscate them?
You don’t have to go forcefully into anyone’s home.
Ok, so how do you plan on getting rid of the few hundred million firearms that won’t be turned in?
You ban firearms:
Year one and two: firearms can be turned in to the authorities for a rebate. Possession of a firearm or ammo is a misdemeanor resulting in the confiscation of such, with no further action. Use of a firearm in commission of a crime carriers a harsher penalty. Trading firearms attracts a fine.
Year three to five/six: as above, but possession now arracts a fine, increasing year on year starting as an inconvenience, ending as quite punitive. Trading firearms arracts prison time. Guns and ammo can be handed in anonymously, no rebate/reward.
Year six to ten/fifteen: as above, possession is now a criminal offence, with jail sentences starting at a few months, increasing year on year to serious jail time, commensurate with civilised countries. Trading attracts harsher sentences.
Good luck with that.
https://lemmy.world/comment/9172927
Again, good luck with that. There are more guns now in Australia than before the 1996 ban…
What youre saying is you don’t want the gun to go no matter the risk.
We’re saying Americans should rethink what they want to do with guns, not for the government to forcefully remove them.
Plenty of countries have the right to own guns, you just can’t have 4 ARs for your shopping trip at walmart. They dont have multiple shootings per day.
Yup. Deal with it.
Americans as a whole are more favored to own firearms. This little anti gun family here on social media is a minority.
An AR is a plastic semi automatic rifle. It’s no different from any of my other semi automatics. This is why the majority of gun owners don’t even want to discuss this stuff with you lot anymore. We’re tired of the ignorance.
At least you admit it has nothing to do with gangs or the number of Americans, you just want guns.
I can rephrase that last part. America is the only country that needs plastic semi-automatics at walmart. Better?
Walmart doesn’t sell ARs. This is seriously how ignorant you are on the topic. Arguing with you is like a child making up shit to get their pouting ways. Lol
Wooosh… I’m not talking about selling ARs I’m talking about the right to own and carry them, in some places around your neck at Walmart.
Maybe I wouldn’t seem so ignorant on the topic if you stopped fabricating arguments I’m not making.
Why does it matter where they’re carried?
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Yep, it’s 60% less than 100% of 450+ million and every single one of them removed from circulation makes people safer.
That’s the idiots view of how gun control works and you couldn’t make it any clearer that your understanding of gun control comes straight from the gun lobby.
You can’t even keep your idiocy straight in your own comment. Did Australia send police to “go forcefully into everyone’s homes to confiscate them”?
Lol no it doesn’t. Less firearms doesn’t magically make anyone safer. Making sure people don’t turn to crime to survive does, making sure there is mental health and single payer healthcare so people who need the help can get it without fear does. Making sure our children are properly educated and aren’t crammed into classrooms where kids cannot get proper education does… But you keep thinking that taking away firearms will magically fix all of our underlying issues. You sound like someone who puts a new roof on a house while the rest of it underneath is being eaten by rot and termites.
Lol I don’t follow the gun lobby. You’re arguing with a left leaning person, who wants to make sure our society has a good foundation. You on the other hand sound like some white privilege suburb kid who is terrified of anyone that’s not like you.
https://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/citation/quotes/2572
Yeah they did, they have collected a shit ton of guns since the 1996 confiscation, but it really didn’t do anything because there are more firearms in the hands of civilians there than there were in 96.
Even disregarding all the studies and statistics proving you wrong, the abject failure of pro-gun policy for over 20 years has made it clear that more guns don’t make anyone safer.
The property crime rate is identical to every other wealthy country, only with a layer of murder on top. The police execute more people in the street without cause or punishment. The upcoming election is between a neoliberal and a barely coherent reality TV star who openly simps for fascists.
So what exactly are we tolerating all this violence for? Your sad little hero fantasies?
Nothing more than your latest bullshit excuse. You told us it was Marilyn Manson and video games. Then you told us it was because schools had too many doors and not enough God. Now you’re blaming social issues (all of which pro-gun politicians oppose fixing) because you know it’s an excuse that will be good for 50 years.
So fuck off and build it. While you do, we can address the gun problem that by your own admission escalates these problems into murder and terrorism.
Don’t worry, there isn’t a child in America who hasn’t been “properly educated” about what happens when a parade of red flags becomes a “responsible gun owner”. They’ve gone to school every day wondering if their school will be next and watched as the pro-gun community spat on them for speaking out. One day, they’ll be the ones writing laws and they’re going to remember exactly how much compassion you showed them.
You mean the issues that progressives have been fighting to address since long before gun owners decided to use them as their latest scapegoat? Don’t worry, we can do more than one thing at a time but unfortunately for you, we’re not obliged to follow your bullshit “fix every other problem first” demands.
I actually love this analogy because you’re too fucking stupid to realise that the rot could absolutely be a problem with a failing roof that needs replacing. But there you are in your rotting house, gormlessly insisting your roof is infallible and perfect.
You absolutely do. That’s why your opinions and talking points are perfectly aligned with what’s most profitable to them. All you’re doing is admitting that you fell for their propaganda without a single critical thought.
I don’t care who you are. It’s anonymous social media. You could claim to be anyone or anything. You’re awkwardly repeating the same rhetoric as pro-gun reactionaries so I’m going to treat you like a pro-gun reactionary.
Watching you try the “use their values against them” technique for a second time actually makes you sound more far-right. It’s a strategy openly advocated by neo-nazi groups and you’re really shoehorning trying to shoehorn it in.
Yeah good link fuckstick, it says absolutely nothing. Are you genuinely just relying on the fact the word “seized” appears on the page? Police sieze illegal firearms when they’re discovered. They didn’t go door to door tearing poor, innocent semiautomatic weapons from the bosom of their loving owners. Who fills your head with this dogshit?
Oh look, more “gun control according to pro-gun groups”. You know it is too, because you’re getting slimy with your wording again. Are those “more firearms” illegal weapons? Are they in the hands of criminals?
Nope. Counter to all your greasy propaganda, Australia didn’t “ban guns” – those “more weapons” are legal, lower-risk weapons, in the hands of people with firearms licenses, who have been members in good standing at a range or club for more than 6 months, have been psychologically assessed, have demonstrated they can safely operate a firearm and must keep their weapons in a gun safe that no unlicensed person can access.
And what a shocking plot twist, no mass shootings ans assaults and property crimes never involve guns. They didn’t even have to solve every single social problem that gun owners could think of first.