• StayDoomed@lemmy.world
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    Bring back tax rates of 90% again for the obscenely rich - it was that way up until the late 1900s. Back when the US actually funded things that benefit most people not just tax breaks for already rich people.

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      It was 50% before Reagan reduced it to 38%. The tax brackets aren’t nearly as large a contributor to inequality as the loopholes in tax law. Accelerated depreciation, tax credits, and the expensing rules for employee stock options are largely to blame for corporate tax evasion.

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      Not even caring about the specific number:

      • why do tax brackets end at about the 5%? Basically wealthy and ultra-wealthy pay same rate as upper middle. We need more steps
      • why are there so many non-salary sources of wealth with lower tax rates, when only the wealthy can take advantage?

      The bottom half of r tax system is reasonably progressive, so why not the top?

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        Federal Tax Rates 2024 Tax Rate | For Single Filers

        10%      $0 to $11,600        
        12%      $11,600 to $47,150
        22%      $47,150 to $100,525
        24%      $100,525 to $191,950 
        32%      $191,950 to $243,725
        35%      $243,725 to $609,350
        37%      $609,350 or more
        

        Plus state/local taxes on top of that.

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          Ok, fine, there’s a step or two in the ”wealthy” category, but my point holds.

          • Why is someone who makes $X income taxed at the same rate as someone who makes (1,000 * $X) income?
          • Why can more wealthy pay lower taxes for different sources of wealth, and claim that “it’s not income”

          Plus state taxes usually have few to no brackets, and I’ve only heard of one having a millionaires tax

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            I wasn’t disputing your point—just throwing in a little extra info since I literally had that table open in a different tab (it’s April in America). I honestly doubt changing those rates would impact things much though. I think we need an asset tax (like the one that exists in most states for houses and that we call property tax) that impacts stocks. Probably a massive change in estate taxes too.

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      You’re talking about income tax rates, and I agree that the top tax rates should be higher, but this won’t fix the problem because billionaires don’t make their money from salaries. Most of their money is theoretical and tied up in ownership of shares of a company.

      They can sell shares or earn dividends to make money, so capital gains should also be taxed at a much higher rate. But billionaires often choose not to sell shares either because they have a better option…

      They take out low interest rates loans using their shares as collateral. The interest rates they are charged are generally going to be far lower than the interest on their stocks that stay invested,. This is where most of their liquidity comes from, because loans aren’t taxed, and in some regard is almost an infinite money glitch for billionaires.

      I think we need to make it illegal to use financial holdings as collateral for loans, at least for starters.

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        I think we need to make it illegal to use financial holdings as collateral for loans, at least for starters.

        And maybe a tax on assets over a set limit. Own more than $10M in assets? Time to start paying back society.

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      You could tax them at 100% but it wouldn’t fix the problem. There are simply just not enough of them. While wealth inequality is a problem, this alone don’t fix it. It is just a crutch.

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        no, increasing taxes on the wealthy, while simultaneously funding the IRS to go after white collar tax cheats, would 100% fix the problem.

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          And this would somehow cause a significant number of houses to be built? And if people have more money thru distribution of some sort, would they work harder to build more houses? If they don’t, how does this help?

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            after perusing your other comments, I’ve come to the conclusion that you’re a disingenuous right wing troll. I don’t care to educate you on something you’ll more than likely ignore.