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        Wow, I had no idea. I thought the joke was needing full ink in an unrelated color. I didn’t know about tracking. I’m sadly unsurprised.

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          It’s for the purpose of serialization for counterfeit purposes. Also, high end copiers have a device installed called the BDU (Bill Detection Unit) that all scans pass through before being post processed. If the BDU detects a bill being scanned it can error and shut down the whole device until the manufacturer can send someone out to fix it. I used to be one of those people resetting BDUs at schools where a teacher thought it was a good idea to copy images of money for teaching students.

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            That, and tracking down anyone else the government doesn’t like, apparently.

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              Or their corporate masters! Its not always just the government, you paranoid conspiracy nut! Take your meticulously cited sources and century of baroque acid fueled clandestine horror and go home!

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        feature originally intended as a deterrent to counterfeiting currency with laser printers.

        Honestly, the USA is something special. So they do this, instead of putting modern anticounterfit (like polimer notes with transparencies) measures onto their notes.

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        consumers will not notice any difference in the performance or effectiveness of products equipped with this technology.

        I believe they missed this part of the memo

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          It’s obvious, more ink used = more profit. The government get the tracking they want, the printer company is slightly more profitable due to extra ink usage, and the customers got fucked. Win-win!

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        I can’t find the article I read, but if I recall correctly, they use patterns of minute variations in the power of the laser to cause a machine-detectable pattern to appear in the final printed output.

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        They also use microscopic yellow dot patterns. Black and white only prints use a microscopic grey print pattern at the print boundary. The technique is a form of steganography. They aren’t tracking you btw. It gets used primarily to investigate fraud. Printer companies do it primarily because if they don’t, their brand will become associated with print related crimes. There are lists of printers that do not do steganographic serialization but those machines are almost entirely too poor quality to produce any convincing counterfeits anyways.

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          That’s how it always starts though.

          People use any device or service they want. It’s a mix of crooks, tinkerers, journalists, etc.

          A company or government makes some moral panic and pushes some privacy or civil rights erosion in the name of “security”. The actual security benefit may or may not exist.

          Then other companies do the same to keep up.

          Then there’s only a handful of companies not doing the thing, so anyone who doesn’t want their privacy or civil rights eroded uses that, including crooks.

          Then politicians and the other companies point to the holdouts as “PROOF!” their changes were good, because look how many crooks use that stuff! (The number of crooks hasn’t changed, they’ve just been concentrated to a single location.) The moral panic deepens.

          The non-criminal population that cares about their privacy or civil rights speak out, but get accused of secretly being criminals, or some other crap that can be used to dismiss their concerns. “If you have nothing to hide, why are you so upset?” and all that.

          Now laws get passed to force all companies to do the same thing, to stop the criminals! But let’s not worry about anyone else. The tinkerers, journalists, privacy-advocates, etc. They don’t matter.

          The law gets passed, and now all toasters are legally required to record your breakfast conversations, for a silly example.

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    My wife found a black and white Brother laser MFP at Goodwill for $15 and it has been an absolute game changer for us.

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        yeah I lived at a shared house and somone abandoned an HP 1020 laser printer. a sheet in 2.5 seconds and the toner cartridge lasts for a fuckin year, and I print flyers for events

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      After losing my third or fourth shitty inkjet since college in a recent move, I needed to print something and found myself once again browsing the Staples flyer.

      Eventually decided to spend a bit more up front and just got a Brother color laser.

      Now it sits there quietly in the corner for months at a time, doing nothing, until I need it, at which point it is always ready, fast, and has great print quality.

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      Picked up a refurbished laser printer at a garage sale 8 years ago. I still haven’t had to change the ink cartridges

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                Ooh, you’re one of today’s lucky 10,000!

                Ink is a liquid that is sprayed in tiny dots and dries onto the paper, while toner is a powder that gets attached to the paper with electrostatic forces using lasers, and then fused to it with heat! It’s a super neat process.

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                  And, generally speaking, ink is the stuff with a ridiculously draining business model which costs consumers far more than is justified for cartridges which quickly dry out over time even when not in use, while toner is relatively inexpensive stuff which basically lasts forever and keeps just as fresh and usable as the day you bought it.

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      Bought one full price, and have no regrets. It’s already paid itself off considering the amount I’ve saved on ink cartridges.

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      I found a small Dell B1160W at Goodwill for $5 new in box! Best little printer I’ve ever had and I’m still on the original toner cartridge. My only gripe is that it’s wireless or USB. Would love to have wired LAN, but for $5 I can’t complain!

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        Some routers have USB ports that support printers. Or, if you know Linux, you could set up a raspberry pi to make the printer available on the network.

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    And you have to buy them yellow paint NOT because they ran out, but because it got caked in the hose and clogged it up.

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    I don’t have a Brother printer. It was not the best purchase I ever made (because I do not own one).

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    Uncannily relevant, I just had this happen with my Epson printer the other day. Is there any printer you can get these days that doesn’t do this?

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      if you just need to print documents and other boring stuff, get a bw laser printer.
      my canon mf3010 still works pretty well, even after like 7 years of use.

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      I have an epson with the ink tanks on the outside and haven’t had this problem, but also I’m not american and I’m pretty sure it’s against my country’s consumers law

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    So I’ve come across enough comments to know that Brother is the way I’m supposed to go for document printing if I don’t want to deal with enshittification. What if I want to print photos though? I don’t think Brother covers me in that area.

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    Okay guys, you literally made me decide and go buy old Brother printer for $20. Didn’t have a printer and didn’t realize good printers can get so cheap on secondary market.

    Going home :3

    IMG_20240402_201441

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    CMYK printing typically uses CMY only for black/grey generation up through a certain point. When I’m profiling my printer at work for transmissive printing, I can set that in the profile at about 50%; anything less than 50% gray is going to be CMY only.

    And here’s another fun fact; pure black ink (or toner) doesn’t give you very good blacks. If you use only black when you’re printing the darkest areas, you end up with a very washed out looking blacks. The best blacks are achieved with 400% ink coverage, using 100% of each ink channel.

    Text is the only place where you can get away with only using black and still have it look good.

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    I get the joke but depending on the grey they may be using a bit of yellow if they want a warmer grey for example.

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      Yes, but they would want pigments that are different for each paint brand each brand of paint brand and it wouldn’t just be “yellow paint”

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    So you’d rather the overpriced subscription printer service, where they supply the ink?

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      They want a printer that doesn’t require yellow ink to print black and white.