https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
For those who want to learn more about the possible origin of memes like this
Is there anyone remaining who doesn’t know after the million posts about tankies?
I knew the term, but not the origin or its original meaning, so yes.
There is always somebody who doesn’t. Doesn’t hurt to leave information for people to learn who haven’t already
I’m not making fun of people not knowing things, I’m pointing out that there are way too many posts about tankies, far beyond any “tankie problem” that lemmy is imagined to have.
800 years of russian state imperialism isnt enough to convince some people that the rest of Eastern Europe has truly had enough of one of their own imposing their big brother geopolitics on the rest of them. Every shitty empire has their MO, for russia, its always been a game of lies, deceit, and muddying the waters of truth. The guy in the middle is someone whos been drinking water from a poisoned well somewhere.
Eastern Europe has truly had enough of one of their own imposing their big brother geopolitics on the rest of them.
Yeah! That’s the US’s job!
“Hurr durr, It’s bad when the US do it but it’s fine if Russia does it”
“Hurr durr, it’s unacceptable to us white liberals when everybody but the US does it."
Are you still here, white supremacist? Have you been priced out of the copium market, perhaps?
When you call a marxist a liberal, we know your brain is soup.
So you don’t understand what the term “Marxist” actually means?
Color me surprised… do you need me to explain it to you, liberal? Fine - I will.
Marxist simply means that you understand capitalism through a Marxist lens - that’s it. Nothing more, nothing less.
You can be a Marxist and be a socialist.
You can be a Marxist and be a fascist.
You can be a Marxist and be the most exploitative and parasitic capitalist around.
Hell, you can be a Marxist while also being the most money-grubbing banker in the west - Marxism will even help you achieve that.
Are you getting this, liberal? Or is it still flying over your head?
You should probably get some psychiatrist to help you, your brain clearly doesn’t work.
Also, normal people learn very early in life that the expected social behavior is to share the minimum amount of information needed to be understood. No capitalist will ever self describe as a Marxist.
Oooooh… I’m so sorry. You conflated ideology with identity - and now you’ve gone and got your ego hurt on the rocks of political reality.
Yeah - that’s never a good idea. It’s a recipe for disillusionment.
No capitalist will ever self describe as a Marxist.
That’s because they don’t feel the need to stake their egos to the term “Marxist” like you do. Come here to Africa - I’ll show you “Marxist” neoliberals aplenty. You couldn’t throw a brick in one of our parliaments without hitting one.
You are stupid
You getting your feels hurt does not imply any failure on my part, okay?
This is HILARIOUS! Thank you!
Why does the compromise guy have a hammer and sickle on him? Is it because these countries were formally part of the USSR?
There are online self-proclaimed leftists who simp for the totalitarian Soviet regime, and often for China as well. The slang term for them is ‘tankies’. Generally speaking, they’re the ones you see online spreading the “Ukraine has to compromise for Russia’s Legitimate Security Concerns!” The hammer-and-sickle is there to represent them.
It’s very bizarre, considering that most leftists I know, even the ones I butt heads with, recognize that Putin’s Russia is an imperialist and fascist state. But no one has ever accused tankies of being consistent.
Don’t worry, some tankie will be along to correct you that Russia doesn’t meet the exact textbook definition of Fascism, so it is actually a utopia.
My favorite incorrect definition for tankies is, they dont actually like communism, they just like tanks.
They like “dictatorships of the proletariat,” and if they think that is given to them by Daddy Big Boots, then theyll simp for him hard as they can.
Absolutely loving the pushback against their shit here on .world, it was getting bleak there for a minute…
Yeah. Tankies in most places are absolutely inconsequential, but they’re very prominent on the Fediverse. It’s good to push back against the poisonous parts of their ideology (like ‘Imperialism is good if it’s a capitalist state that’s not part of the West doing it’).
Would hate to see that kind of vile fascist shit normalized on here.
Yep, authoritarianism and imperialism is wrong left or right. The United States has a horrible track record on this front it’s true. But they’ll lose their shit when you state a simple fact like ML nations are generally just as bad. Russia basically invaded and forcefully annexed many nations post WWII. Tried to invade Afghanistan. Imprisoned and slaughtered millions in Siberian prisons to this very day even. All for simple dissent. Nivalny anyone? China isn’t really any better either.
They usually break into a sputtering revelry of “But imperialists and the west did X”. Which you can easily tear apart with a simple “And?”. Because it doesn’t justify them doing it.
Id still argue that tankies and authoritarians of all kinds dont fit in in the left, but otherwise agreed.
I want a society thats classless, cashless, stateless. Currency, billionaires, socioeconomic classes, dictators dont fit.
Same here. It’s a long road. And unfortunately ml and tankies specifically have set us back on it quite a bit. But the evolution Karl Marx originally spoke about is absolutely worth continuing to pursue.
Keep being the change u wish to see in the world. Love u bae <3
Absolutely loving the pushback
And it’s being replaced with liberalism - which is every bit as bad.
“Liberalism”
Liberalism is when no tank
They have grocery stores with bread you know. Suck on that imperialist!
“Fascism” is thrown around entirely too much as a term, when it’s just one variety of authoritarianism, which is the term we should be using
Russia doesn’t qualify as a fascist state.
He’s a communist from lemmygrad
“communist”
Today were can clearly see that, communism was always a red herring. Tankies during cold war and tankies today (that love to dress in American flags), were always about supporting of totalitarian regimes.
The hammer and sickle is to support USSR.
Tankie is a special sort of communist. Doesn’t seem fair to paint all communists as tankies.
Tankie is just facist wearing red instead of brown. Leave communism out of it.
Nah communism is just naive people trying to enact collectivist policies wholesale not realising or not wanting to believe that such policies are incredibly open to subversion by authoritarian groups.
No, you’re talking about tankies
I was talking about tankies, whose definition says those are communists that were also fine with using tanks on population by Soviets during the Hungarian revolution.
I’m trying to say those people weren’t as much in love with communism as with the love of the Soviets and this is much easier to see today since Russia isn’t communist.
OP thinks the west should continue to send weapons to Ukraine until Russia pulls out of all former Ukrainian territory, and putin is deposed and sent to the hague, and Russia is balkanized.
Most communists want it to end as soon as possible, with the Russian-speaking parts of Ukraine currently occupied by Russia remaining either independent or in Russia if they vote that way.
This is usually misconstrued as supporting Russia.
Ah, so you were in favor of the initial peace plan proposed by Zelenskyy at the start of the invasion?
with the Russian-speaking parts of Ukraine remaining either independent or in Russia if they vote that way.
… and what about the Russian-speaking parts of Ukraine remaining part of Ukraine? Is that not an option? Does democracy only count if it benefits Russian interests?
This is usually misconstrued as supporting Russia.
No, it’s simply recognizing the Motte-And-Bailey style arguments put forth by red fash. It’s the same pattern as the alt-right.
and what about the Russian-speaking parts of Ukraine remaining part of Ukraine?
This could be an option but what the cost? You all couch generals understand tha not only Russian ppl but Ukranians lifes are being destroyed?
Do you undeestand that your option is to the deaths and war crimes keep on going right? Retaken these territories is almost free for you but not for Ucranians.
Also, no Communist I know defends Putin, Russia is an imperialist scum as US, UK and France that are using Ukraine as their war table.
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“If the US didn’t back a coup”
“already voted once to join Russia”
lmao
And you wonder why no one takes you lot seriously.
Do you mean the one in March 2022 that was torpedoed by Boris Johnson
This is incorrect. It was torpedoed by Ukrainians finding out about the Bucha massacre about a week earlier.
if Minsk II was simply enforced.
Who should have “enforced” Russia to move their soldiers out of Donbas and how?
What is this cicil war you keep talking about?
Russian-backed separatists in the Donbass.
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The invasion started in 2014. It was not an organic movement.
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You sound like a nazi supporter in 1939 supporting the annexation of the sudetenland. What do you mean the nazis should pull out of the formerly czech territories? I haven’t heard the russian government give any reason they should be there, that the nazis didn’t give.
with the Russian-speaking parts of Ukraine
Only if all the non-Russian speaking parts of Russia get to vote to leave Russia as well.
“I find that I’m smarter than most people.”
“Whatever leads you to that conclusion?”
“I have a hammer and sickle wallpaper on my desktop! Also, those who are not me should learn to compromise. Because I won’t lift a goddamned finger to do such a thing myself, yuck. Also, bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe.”You have been promoted to moderator on lemmy.ml. Congratulations!
“I find that I’m smarter than most people.”
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/610:_Sheeple
Tons of Ayn Rand energy radiating off this post.
Whoosh?
Like, you’re just too dumb to understand the concept of someone speaking as if they’re someone else?
We could burn putin? Or just medium rare on a spit toast. The stick is sometimes tied to the guy, but in this case a stick could be driven slowly over the course of a few days. putins usually come with a convenient hole on either side for that. Best of all lots of animals could be fed… maybe 15 or 16 Lions?
It can be just 3 Lions, it’s just a compromise.
Ukraine: The Avoidable War
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL4eNy4FCs8
Sources linked in description of video.
Hot take, Tankies aren’t as bad as Zionists, and I know which group there’s more of, and has more influence and power.
And neither of them are as bad as 1940s Nazis. And those aren’t as bad Maoists. A rotten apple is a rotten apple no matter the variety.
Cops are rotten apples, So are nonprofit universities that use massive endowments to essentially be for profit. No one would claim they’re just as detrimental to society as each other. One of the groups is clearly worse and it’s surprising how many people are refusing to engage with that idea. If you think Zionists arent getting people killed and Tankies are, I really don’t know what to tell you.
My friend, you are on a web platform specifically designed to engage in every conversation, including that one. The point everyone who replied to you is try to make is that you going into a conversation thread and sidetracking with no additional value has the same energy as saying “all lives matter” as a reply to black lives matter. No shit Sherlock, but you’re not doing any good by throwing in “but, zionists” to the conversation at hand.
Is that comparison not me engaging in the discussion? Or is it only engagement when you agree with it? Zionists are killing people, right now. Tankies exist mainly online and their numbers are bolstered by foreign troll farms and sock accounts trying to create division. So sorry I don’t want to buy into that outrage of people who scarcely exist.
You’re right, it’s engagement at the level of an “all lives matter” chud. I didn’t realize that was the level of thought you were intentionally going for. Congrats I guess?
Again. Zionists are killing people right now. Tankies are the most minor of minorities. If you think saying Zionists are worse than Tankies is like saying all lives matter you’re one of the kids Bush left behind, so congrats I guess.
You aren’t engaging in the discussion.
You are derailing it.
Smells of Putin Propaganda because Russia gets rightfully criticised.
Putin proganda props up tankies talking points to foster division and outrage, outrage like this meme. What does russia have to gain from my stance of ignore tankies because they only exist online while zionists sre influencing actual policy, war and death? You cant just call everything you dont like russian propaganda, but thats about as lazy as most response ive been getting.
Tankies are as bad. They’re just less powerful.
At least since the fall of the SovUnion
Who gives a fuck? They should both be shouted down by thinking people.
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You mean the plan of not lying down and let Russia take your country? Literally self defense, that “plan”?
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I can’t speak for the US but Europe definitely wants to help. Russia will try to invade more European countries if Ukraine falls. I respect your bad past experience but no, Ukraine is not Iraq and the two situations are significantly different. For starters, European help is not tied to any political concessions whatsoever. There is no way for the EU to “hollow out” Ukraine. On the contrary, Europe is just waiting for the war to be over so Ukraine can start the process of joining the EU. As a sovereign country.
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I don’t have the time or energy to correct the numerous inaccuracies, straight up moronic takes and straw men in your last reply. Believe what you want to believe. In five years’ time, when history proves your wrong, at least have the decency to admit to yourself you were wrong and Ukraine is not Iraq because the two situations are significantly different.
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To be fair Ukraine have said they intend to fight until the borders are back to pre-war which includes Crimea.
Compromise can be met with Crimea.
Edit: can someone who downvotes explain why you disagree?
About the only bit that could be compromised on. Crimea isn’t going to be retaken by an invasion force, unless the whole Russian military collapses in on itself.
However, I would note that effectively sieging Crimea is very viable considering the poor state of the Russian Navy in the Black Sea and Crimea’s reliance on supply from the rest of Russia. However, that would require most Ukrainian land taken during the initial invasion to be reclaimed first.
A properly supplied Ukraine could probably manage all that singlehandedly given what weve seen.
Yep most definitely, reclaiming the mainland is step one and no compromises should be made there. The decision on the remaining bloodshed and cost required to retake crimea from 2014 annexation can be evaluated at that point.
Crimea WAS the compromise. In 2014. The orange revolution was the compromise in 2004.
The disagreement is with the idea that compromise would even result in a real peace. The Russia would stop actively working to dismantle the Ukrainian state. It’s not even just Ukraine. Georgia was invaded in 2008.
At this point, it’s just appeasement. And appeasement doesn’t work.
It would have been more convincing had Ukraine not spent 2014-2022 pounding cities in the eastern Donbass.
The fact OP and all the liberals in this thread ignore on purpose.
Ignore Ukraine fighting Russians who invaded their country? I thought that was the point?
Are you trying to stand by the bald faced lie that ‘its just locals who disagree’ over booting out the extremely corrupt Yanukovych? Just locals with Russian military tech shooting down MH17.
I’m sure the oil and gas discoveries prior to the 2014 invasion had nothing to do with it.
What really blows my mind is the tankies ignoring Ukraine trying to nationalize the energy sector ahead of Russia’s invasion.
Ignore Ukraine fighting Russians who invaded their country
The fact the nazis were shelling civilians in the Donbas.
Yeah they overthrew the democratically elected leader, so it’s not a democracy.
It’s not as simple as Russia bad guy invaded good guy for no reason.
The democratically elected puppet of Russian oil oligarchs. He had loaves of gold hidden in his mansion.
Don’t try to strawman me with the bad guy no reason BS. I stated before and I will say it again. It’s oil and gas. That’s the reason.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo6w5R6Uo8Y&t=0
Russia invaded in 2014 because they didn’t want their oil and gas market to be undermined by Ukraine.
The democratically elected leader by the Ukrainian people. You have any evidence of election fraud or are your little feeling just hurt?
Russia invaded in 2014 because they didn’t want their oil and gas market to be undermined by Ukraine.
False. Russia invaded for national security interests. We would do the same if a foreign nation was training and arming Nazis on our border.
These borders are arbitrary lines drawn by Soviet bureucrats. It did not matter as long as both countries were in the Soviet Union. This is not a war between two countries. This is a war over how the Soviet Union should break up.
Maybe, if you consider the ethnic cleansing the soviet’s did. Like getting rid of all the tartars in Crimea. When you send an entire population to the gulag to die, maybe their historic borders don’t matter so much anymore. Is that what you are referring to?
There is nothing Ukrainian about Crimea. It’s Tatar country. After the Soviets murdered the Tatars, Ukrainians took over.
There is nothing Russian about Crimea. It’s former Tatar country. After the Soviets murdered the Tatars, Ukrainians took over.
Did I claim that Crimea was Russian? Ukraine has no legitimate claim to Crimea, neither doea Russia.
