So, I see r/NZ is back. That’s it? What an anemic protest. I guess I’m honestly surprised more people don’t care. I expected the protest to go on longer, but I guess I overestimated how much the average user cared about this.

Unfortunately, I think it probably means we won’t see a lot of growth in Lemmy now. Shame.

  • Dave@lemmy.nzM
    23·
    2 years ago

    Lemmy is not ready for primetime yet. There is no way that 400 million reddit users can move here, when the biggest servers struggle with tens of thousands, and the total users active on Lemmy in the last month is around 30,000 (up from 1,000 a couple of weeks ago).

    Not to mention that Lemmy is really not general-population-ready. Explaining it is a bit of a mouthful, but manageable. What’s not manageable for most users is things like:

    • Most people have no idea how to start. The join-lemmy site just points you at a massive list of instances and hopes you know what you’re doing
    • if you’re reading a post on another instance and someone links to a community, the link won’t work and you’ll have to copy/paste the URL into your own instance.
    • Hot/Active don’t work because of a bug in refreshing them
    • The post you’re reading can suddenly change, especially if you have two tabs open with different posts
    • If you want to subscribe to a community but no one on your instance has searched for it before, the search will show “No results” - but then suddenly have results if you wait 10 seconds (or sometimes never show it until you refresh)
    • Posts just appear at the top of the list, and worse, pop up as a notification. Great when there were only 1000 users but now the All page just gets notification after notification and the feed keeps moving
    • The right combination of events means that a community can just disappear
    • The search form doesn’t let you change between Subscribed/Local/All unless you search for something first
    • Moderation is still a problem. One of the big instances is wholesale blocking dozens of instances, including some big ones, because they can’t handle the moderation. When it comes to moderation, I suspect most of the big instances are just…not.

    This is just off the top of my head. Lemmy is great because we are building a new community, but the polish will come with time. We need to slowly and organically grow the community (lemmy.nz as well as the “Lemmyverse”), so issues can be worked out. Luckily places like this tend to attract a more technical audience as they are more willing to put up with bugs, and because Lemmy is open source many of these people can help write code for bug fixes and new features. The number of people helping has gone up significantly in just the last two weeks.

    So what I’m getting at is if people are unhappy with the actions of the reddit board, they are (probably) welcome here. But we do not need a significant number of new users overnight - that’s only going to end in disappointment for everyone involved.

    • sylverstream@lemmy.nz
      7·
      2 years ago

      Very well explained! Thank you for this post. Yes, Lemmy isn’t ready yet as Reddit replacement for all Reddit users. It’s cool to be part of it and to see I’m not the only one struggling with it works :) . Everyone is more friendly as well, and I’ve already been appointed moderator for the stopdrinking community. The sd reddit is very popular and I hope we can build something here as well. Sorry, not sure how to link to it haha.

      • Dave@lemmy.nzM
        2·
        2 years ago

        It’s possibly worse for me, because for every issue I have to try to work out if it’s a Lemmy thing or something wrong with the way I’ve set it up (there have been many of those issues, but as far as I know all the current bugs are Lemmy issues).

        I’ve already been appointed moderator for the stopdrinking community.

        Definitely keep in mind the bug about instances disappearing when an user from an instance is appointed mod of a community on a different instance and then they try to edit the community! (I think this only applies to Lemmy version 0.17.4 but this is the latest and most instances are on this now because of a security issue in the previous version).

        • sylverstream@lemmy.nz
          5·
          2 years ago

          I really appreciate all your hard work here! You’ve been replying to support issues very quickly and adequately.

          I won’t edit the community then, thanks for the heads up. I think it’s not even possible, the other moderator wasn’t able to edit the sidebar info, only the creator could do it, but wasn’t responding anymore.

          It will get better over time I’m sure.

          • Dave@lemmy.nzM
            2·
            2 years ago

            I really appreciate all your hard work here! You’ve been replying to support issues very quickly and adequately.

            Thanks! I’m just doing my best :)

            I think it’s not even possible, the other moderator wasn’t able to edit the sidebar info, only the creator could do it, but wasn’t responding anymore.

            Hmm I’ve created the communities, and have assigned mods and they are able to edit the sidebar. I haven’t done anything special. Maybe because they are the first mod they get the access?