cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/17439723
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/17439722
Palestinian Territory – Israel’s army has again massacred Palestinian civilians who had gathered in Gaza to obtain humanitarian aid, targeting them with gunfire from helicopters, tanks, and drones near the Kuwait roundabout on the outskirts of Gaza City. This incident has resulted in over 60 deaths and 160 injuries, some of which are critical.
Not as long as Democrat politicians know they can continue to count on our votes while they take money from the Zionist lobby and do their bidding. But don’t you dare suggest not voting for Genocide Joe on here. Anyone who would suggest such a thing must be an astroturfing Trump troll. After all, what’s a little genocide in the big picture?
PS: The Zionist lobby isn’t an antisemitic dog whistle. In the US, the Zionist lobby probably gets more support from rabid fundamentalist Christians who think Israel’s ascendancy will trigger the end times than from Jews. That’s been true since the Blackstone Memorial was circulated in 1891.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackstone_Memorial
Why are you acting like Trump wouldn’t support the genocide? It’s not a choice between genocide and not, so yes you are in fact just trolling for trump.
This isn’t the trolley problem. We have other options. We could force Biden to step aside and have an open convention. If that doesn’t happen, I’ll vote for Cornel West or Jill Stein or Claudia De la Cruz.
It’s not that Trump wouldn’t support the genocide, he certainly would. But as long as Democrats feel they can also support the genocide without repercussions, they will do so to enrich themselves. Republicans aren’t going to change, there’s little point trying to push them on this. But if democrats think that this issue is the difference between winning and losing an election (and thus potentially limiting their ability to enrich themselves), there’s a smidge of a chance they’d at least cut funding or something.
Cool strategy bro. Let’s play Chicken with our politics. That’s some real 4D chess there.
I mean, it’s not like our entire political infrastructure and way of lives could be determined by the next election.
You’re right, I guess we need to do nothing while thousands of children slowly starve to death before our eyes. I suppose it’s just a sacrifice we have to make.
This is dumb.
Destroying your own livelihood is not going to stop the Gazan Massacre. It’d be like if you threatened to burn down your local hospital if they don’t start admitting more uninsured people. Your actions will help no one, and make things worse for everyone.
You want to fix a problem? Then take steps to actually fixing them. Not threatening to destroy everything around you like a fucking child.
How’s this, why don’t you go burn down your home or your parents home as a form of protest. It’ll really make a message about the destroyed homes in Gaza. Oh, your not going to do it? I guess your just as bad as I am. Hypocrite.
Me: Don’t vote for someone guilty of genocide
You: Burn down your house or you’re a hypocrite
Yes, ignore any other logic in my post, and just hyperfixate on the end. Lol you’re just a troll at this point. Your logic sucks and it’s clear that all your trying to do is get people to not vote for Biden.
Go be a troll elsewhere.
No, not the ad hominem!
> all your trying to do is get people to not vote for Biden.
that sounds like a laudable, ethical goal. why should someone vote for a racist, corrupt, imperialist, zionist?
No one wants to hear it discussed because it’s a fucking dumb strategy, like, what effect do you think it’ll actually have? You vote for the guy that’s most likely to actually do something about it rather than vote to sink the entire fucking ship because your having a temper tantrum. You’re insane if you think that’s even a remotely viable strategy. I can’t believe you’re even bringing it up like it’s a “good” idea…like wtf.
You can check my post history. I’m rabidly against this genocide. The IDF has gone unchecked and their treatment of an “enemy populace” is a fucking warcrime. Something needs to be done. But if you think for a second that I or any other rational adult here is going to even remotely humor the idea of doing something that could get Trump elected, you are out of your damned mind.
The entire fucking ship is committing a genocide
No, we’re not commiting a genocide. There’s just not enough pressure to stop a strategic ally (that’s armed with nukes, mind you) from doing horrific actions. There’s been a shit ton of verbal posturing from all of our allies over this, but no one else has done a damned thing either. I’m not going to tank my country because of it either. What does that accomplish? Congratulations bro, your morally superior. Hope that’ll keep you chipper in the American gulag if Trumpelstiltskin gets elected.
It is literally our shells and bombs which our client state is using to kill children while we are the lone veto in the UN Security Council vote for a ceasefire. Obama and Reagan–yes, Ronald Reagan–withheld weapon shipments to Israel over far less. All Biden has to do is follow his own policy which prohibits providing arms that will likely be used to violate human rights. Instead, he has refused to even place conditions on the weapons he gives to Israel, conditions he has been happy to place on arms transfers to Ukraine.
Biden is not merely complicit. He’s a willful participant. He’s a war criminal.
How many genocidal deaths per month (under a dem administration) would it take for you to withhold your vote for a dem? 1 thousand, 1 million, 10 million? I suspect there is no amount.
Let me rephrase this better:
How many genocidal deaths (in a totally different country than your own) per month would it take for you to destroy your government and see it overtaken by an Alt-Right Dictatorship? 1 thousand, 1 million, 10 million? I suspect there is no amount.
It’d be on thing if “a dem administration” was the one causing the genocide. They aren’t. But I agree that they could be doing more to stop it. It won’t get better under Trump, so this game of “Morality chicken” your playing with our entire future here is fucking dumb.
They’re more concerned about their “livelihood” than doing the right thing.
Nope. Not as long as we can continue our comfortable lives over here. Not as long as it’s people who don’t look like us–who don’t speak our language–doing the dying. Not as long as we can block “Gaza” from our feed when it starts to become a real downer.
When one of the most powerful nations in the world becomes a dictatorship, how do you think that’ll affect the world? What do you think happens to the last 200 years of progress? What do you think will continue to happen in Gaza?
It isn’t like this is an isolated decision. Not voting has a very real and fucking dangerous consequence, and you need to realize that sometimes there aren’t good decisions and you have to make the best of it. Sitting out and pouting doesn’t do shit but make things worse for everyone else. So stop acting like a petulant child. No one in this entire fucking thread is even remotely supportive of genocide, but you’ll be damned if I’m going to see my country become a dictatorship because of events in other countries because one side “isn’t doing enough”.
What do you think happens when the people of the most powerful democracy in the world look the other way when their elected officials commit genocide?