• jdnewmil@lemmy.ca
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      9 months ago

      The books went to some pains to convey that memories after birth were not passed along. Haven’t watched this flick though.

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        9 months ago

        No, they weren’t going to any lenght to show that, iirc Leto II and some BG admitted to have memories of many deaths, which would be impossible if those were genetic memories. The only one who legitly could have those was the last Duncan since he was ghola made from the amalgam of genetic material from many previous gholas, and even in his case it was explicitly said he had memories he shouldn’t have.

        It’s just magic.

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        8 months ago

        Which is still complete bollocks, of course. Your genes don’t get continually updated with memory data while you’re alive, or even change at all.

        Stay off the drugs, Frank.

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        9 months ago

        I mean yeah, genetic memory would kinda suck for the purpose they have in those books, you would just see a million years of childhoods and youths. Alia would probably organised the craziest parties in empire though.

        that couldn’t be explained from the new offspring’s perspective?

        Not really, they mentioned memories of death, so assuming most people do not get concieved after the death of their parents (specifically mothers in case of BG) means those aren’t really genetic memories but just magic.

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            8 months ago

            When Jessica changes the water for the Fremen and they all get drunk on it, which should be a moment in this movie

            No, spice orgy is one of the many scenes from books that got cut out in the movie. Interestingly, i noticed that Verhoeven read the book very throughly, but the book he read was apparently Messiah and Children, since a lot of scenes and few important characters are cut off, but there is A LOT of things that should be in the 1st book considering what happened in the books 2 and 3, but weren’t since Frank Herbert did not plan the books, just wrote on the moment for the most time. Paul in the new movie very often sounds much more like the Preacher from Children of Dune than like Paul from 1st book.

            they’re able to feel each other’s minds much like the BG can feel the genetic memories that are consciousnesses within them

            Some people can predict the future there so why not limited telepathy

            And in the books I feel like I recall they mentioned that this is when the older tribal shaman dies, and they feel her death here, and her consciousness then lives on within Jessica.

            Yes, that is explained more in books 5 and 6. This was done by the Fremen, and then spread to BG when they started to use the water of life, but that require conscious effort of real Reverend Mother, and i meant the old non-RM memories. Also it would still not included death in most cases since it was done before every time.

            Then again, the movies may go a different route and I may be off by a bit. 🤷‍♂️

            In case of Ramallo scene the movie was exactly like the book.