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Didn’t they literally say they wouldn’t force re-open sub reddit’s? Suprise suprise another lie.
tbh Im not surprised they would. r/piracy is both niche and wouldnt be worth to remove mods for. Subs like r/aww or r/funny however are main parts of Reddit, and this also applies to massive game subs like r/Minecraft
You know, when you look at where the subscribers were and what the default subs were, I guess this shouldn’t be surprising. There’s a reason Lemmy/Kbin already feel more like “old” Reddit, and it’s because that was always the “alt” social media users, generally a bit more tech savvy and certainly more open minded to new platforms. At some point Reddit filled up with Facebook and Instagram scrubs and I didn’t even notice.
I was definitely a power user of Reddit, but I’m not sure I was even subscribed to a single default sub. Whoever was hitting up Reddit for r/aww and r/funny was probably never going to take a principled stand over API debates and the centralization and profit chasing administrative choices.
There’s a reason Lemmy/Kbin already feel more like “old” Reddit, and it’s because that was always the “alt” social media users, generally a bit more tech savvy and certainly more open minded to new platforms.
Absolutely this. I was on Reddit prior to the digg migration, and Reddit definitely changed when that happened. Fortunately it wasn’t complete shit, a lot of the folks from digg picked up the reddiquette and assimilated, but there was still a sea-change for sure. And then over the years as it grew and grew it steadily got worse and worse, and I found myself unsubbing from more and more subs, then completely blocking others, then finally dropping /r/all completely - and never did grok /r/popular, man that feed was a corporate shitshow from the day it launched.
but I’m not sure I was even subscribed to a single default sub.
I certainly haven’t been, ever since the brigade to ban /r/nonewnormal - whatever your thoughts on that subs existence, watching the reddit community actively brigade to shut down a sub they didn’t like, man fuck that. I absolutely abhor blatant censorship like that. Every single sub I was subscribed to that participated in that charade I dropped like a hot potato. And then the admins, instead of following their own rules, rewarded the behavior and banned the sub (who had broken no rules, other than to go against the narrative). It was fucking Orwellian.
The dwindling continued - watching supposed time-waster subs become completely political was such a drag. Like man, I just want to see some cats doing cat shit, and now I’m mad. Fuck that, I’m out.
And then the bans… oh, you subscribe to this totally unrelated sub, so you’re banned from these subs too. Lolwut? I started wearing bans like a badge of honor - after over a decade on the site, contributing and sharing knowledge and never even getting any warnings I started racking up bans for complete bullshit - I made a game out of it: what’s the most innocuous comment I can make to earn a ban? Fun times.
Then I got bored of that, so I nuked my entire post history (having a script overwrite my comments with gibberish prior to deletion). Reddit had made it clear that “my kind” was no longer welcomed. Despite contributing to the sites growth, buying Reddit gold and Reddit merch, being exactly the type of user they had been courting, I had become persona non grata. So I lurked.
That was heartbreaking. Reddit had dwindled down to be nothing but hobby subs and porn. The magic was long gone. It was like watching a horrible remake of Weekend at Bernie’s where they kept shuffling around the corpse of a long-since-dead best friend. The worst was when there’d be a question from a user in one of my few subs left that was right up my ally - I would be eminently qualified to help, but held my tongue. Fuck that place, I refused to offer one iota of value to that God-forsaken shithole.
And now they want to take away the last thread that kept me there - my 3rd-party app, Narwhal, because of sheer greed and stupidity. I am so fucking done.
Lemmy, let’s do this shit. You remind me of that long-dead friend I’d thought was lost forever. Let’s kick Reddit right in the balls in the best way possible - by doing well.
Maybe it wasn’t like that, but the only times I interacted with the nonewnormal subreddit, I was floored by the rampant disinformation and dumb AF takes by most users. I understand why most other sub wanted nothing to do with it.
Also having beehaw defederate from other big instances is kinda the same as not wanting some subreddit communities interacting with your own (ie banning you because you participate in the same space as others we don’t want)
I understand why most other sub wanted nothing to do with it.
Totally fair enough. But Reddit already had a mechanism in place to deal with that - quarantine. Watching a ban-brigade take place across Reddit because they don’t like them was downright dystopian.
Did they (Reddit admins) quarantine the sub ? Or did they do nothing like most other problematic subs until the community said enough?
It was quarantined, yes.
I kinda agree but they also applied the same stuff to /r/LockdownSkepticism too which was much more reasonable.
Yeah, beehaw is acting just like the power-tripping supermods.
I never saw any post from there so can’t comment.
I don’t think beehaw’s mods are in a power trip. They want to keep their community with like minded people and having open instances that are difficult to moderate on your own is not the best way for that. All in all, for me it’s federation going right. Instead of brigading, they put it on hold for the time being
Yeah, I just wish they’d done that from the start instead of the confusing bait 'n switch.
Beehaw isn’t in the wrong really. The moderation tools simply don’t allow them to moderate the massive influx of new users. I fully expect them to re-federate once the moderation tools mature to the point where they can keep the quality of the communities where they want it.
I don’t like that they used the nuclear option so quickly, but I understand their reasoning.
Yeah, I don’t think they’d reopen /r/piracy. They’d take it as a win.
It’s going to be banned for being “unmoderated” sometime soon, calling it now.
Can sub that no one post to really be considered unmoderated? Like what is there to do to be “active” without post.
I don’t think they’d care
Yeah, I would bet that the default subreddits would be the ones they target with this bullshit
Embarassing, here’s to hoping that lemmy takes off
It seems to be.
Make sure to join Kbin communities through Lemmy too!
how do we find kbin communities from lemmy?
Well, you really have to go there and then enter it in the search field of your instance. People keep saying its !community@server but for me that does not work. The actual link did however.
So instead of looking for !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com, I look for https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/c/piracy and it works.Afaik rn you have to go to kbin and look for a magazine (that’s what they call communities) you want to join, then put it into the address bar in a lemmy instance as if the magazine is a lemmy community.
Well, user counts are relly stagnating. We’re at 140k and I don’t think it’ll go much above 200k
This was the bump from the blackout.
July 1 will be the next big influx of users.
It does not seem like the lemmy servers (and mods) can handle it. There are only few major instances that allow anyone to join, and these instances are gettimg defederated by other because the new users include trolls.
I’ve only seen one troll, who was banned from Lemmy.world very quickly. And one political troll that I just blocked.
Can you link to the issues in the mod log?
Beehaw’s power trip wasn’t really justified.
Growing pains. Just need to wait for everything to settle out. I’ve been on the fediverse for many years now and this is just the way these things go.
“The blackout didn’t affect us at all.”
“If you don’t unblackout we’re going to start removing moderators and taking over subreddits.”
I think, maybe, the blackout hurt them. If it goes on for longer then ad buyers will shift their money to other platforms.
I wonder if this is targeted at mods where perhaps the subs are open, but the mods are not actively performing their duties as a form of protest.
Interesting since there was an article, like yesterday, of Reddit saying they weren’t going to remove mods. I guess its time to make an aged like milk community here on Lemmy if there isn’t already one.
Some have re-opened and just changed the rules so that posts are basically spam. Like r/pics is only John Oliver looking sexy. They’re technically not closed, but just as worthless to Reddit from a content perspective.
My guess is that this was the plan all along - move fast so mods are forced to pick a side and sadly I think many will stick with reddit.
The mods of the Apple subreddit framed it as if they were making some great sacrifice by choosing to reopen the subreddit and remain in control. Obviously, the mods that are claiming this are full of shit, it’s more about the authority than it is giving a shit about a subreddit.
Well, if you think about it, Apple is a good example of corporate greed and ignorance to its users. They will sell some nonsense accessory for $1k, call it a nice name and Apple fans would be happy to buy it. So, it’s surprising that this subreddit even took part in blackout at all.
Me replying to this on my M1 Pro 😃😐
Apple users crave living in walled gardens where all decisions are made for them as they pretend to be smart and discerning technology users.
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delete the content, kill the sub, and brigade it to death if reddit tries to resurrect it
This is my shocked face 😐
Replacing the moderation teams of 5,000 subs should go really well. Right?
There’s a risk that disgruntled ex-redditors will collectively vote for the most terrible people they can find for mods, just to harm reddit and drive people here. That would be truly sad to see. Truly sad.
Edit: other appalling things I hope we don’t see are people going to reddit in down times only to upvote bad comments and posts, and downvote the good ones.
The very last thing we would want to see is the mods of large subs switching between private and public mode too often, because that apparently has to change permissions on all the posts in the sub, and was why reddit had downtime when they all went dark. They may even have the wild and outrageous idea to briefly turn off private simultaneously, only to go back private as a form of malicious compliance with Huffman’s warnings.
re: the second part, that’s still engagement and Reddit doesn’t care so long as the metrics are looking good. You’re better off not interacting
Yeah, the way Musk bragged about engagement while he burned down Twitter made me wary of even loading Reddit now. No way am I giving that shithead spez the satisfaction to see some, any line go up, if it does anyway it won‘t be because of me.
Dude, like no person with self worth will apply to being a mod at reddit after such a move. It will be a really good social experiment, some social science student will make a decent thesis out of it.
When are we starting to call it deddit?
Perfect. Let’s start now.
Are we sure? Did the shoes come off?
Let’s make sure and kick it while it’s down!
I like it! Has a nice ring to it.
was thinking dabbit but deddit works better, thanks
Replacing mods is a fun idea. But where do you get replacement mods from? Already before the whole debacle most subreddits had more or less intrusive “We are looking for new mods” statements all around their sub. One sub I’m in has a bot that comments on every post that they are urgently looking for mods.
And that was before Reddit started a war with the mods.
Are they going to let ChatGPT work as a mod?
I imagine some sort of generative AI at some point is their goal. We will see if it can be as effective as they predict.
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Especially at first
Man, I just checked the thread on /r/technology to see what people were saying. Everyone is shit talking mods - it’s a complete sea change since last time I was on. Weird.
Everyone who was pro-blackout is here now.
Leaving nothing but trolls, as expected. Reddit is already dead.
That and repost bots, keeping some artificial copy of the community that used to be alive indefinitely.
I was a bit stunned reading the comments on that post. They weren’t just expressing displeasure with the blackout, it was more like “spez is 100% correct to kill 3rd party apps and mods are bad people”. My first thought was trolls/astroturfing, but maybe the rules of the game just change that quickly when an addict isn’t getting their fix.
prob cause everyone who agrees with the black out has left
The /r/conservative strategy of distilling the use base down to the most ideological conformists. No dissent allowed.
People love to complain, but hate doing anything about it. Moving to lemmy is a bit of work, not much, but enough to deter a lot of idiots. I compare moving to anything Fediverse with moving to Linux. People will always complain about Windows doing this, Windows doing that. So stop using it coward!
That is such a great analogy. I keep trying to get my SO to join Lemmy, but he won’t put any effort into learning how it works or getting used to it. I’ve explained to him what the fediverse is, what instances are, and what Lemmy is at least 3 times already, but then he still got confused the other day and thought Jerboa was another instance instead of an app. It’s frustrating. People just love the familiar and don’t want to be inconvenienced whatsoever…
Sometimes, gatekeeping can be a good thing, such as here.
Let’s not forget reddit has a history of using bots to create the impression that the site is more active than it is. I don’t think it’s at all unlikely that that’s going on here.
It isn’t far fetched that they use AI-powered bots to change the common sentiment about the blackout.
This was exactly my first thought too. Afterall, the API is still free right now too, so they can use as many 3rd party bots as they want to influence public opinion.
FWIW, I saw a decent amount of discontent directed at the blackout in a lot of the subs I frequented.
Some were confused by the mods and had no idea the 3rd apps were a thing. Some were ra-ra capitalism crowd mad that people are protesting the other site’s gawd-given right to price gouge. Some were mad the blackouts didn’t go far enough…
I think the takeaway is that you can’t please everyone.
This ain’t my first go as a social media refugee. I get they want to pull a Kevin Rose and cash out. Their board’s been fucking with everything I used their site for and how I used their site. As far as I’m concerned, they can get farked.
IMO, the only thing preventing a mass exodus is platform mature enough to capitalize on their fuck-ups.
I would say it’s surprising but r/technology has been apathetic to the blackout, and that’s being generous. At the same time, it shouldn’t be surprising considering its top mod is a reddit admin.
I’m surprised that more subs have been apathetic or disagreeable to a continued blackout. Everybody’s doing polls that turn into keep-us-open-because-community. As @MrJizzard said up above (how can I tag users on here?) maybe blind support for Reddit’s moves is just what happens when users are cut off from scrolling through their content.
maybe blind support for Reddit’s moves is just what happens when users are cut off from scrolling through their content.
It is. Going to the discord of a popular sub I realized that the protest is something that only a vocal minority is willing to take to its end, whatever that is. Most people either don’t care or are too preoccupied that they can’t kill time on reddit anymore. There’s people who are advocating for removing mods just because the sub was closed, completely ignoring the fact that if it weren’t for the mods the community wouldn’t exist in its current state, the same mods who are the most impacted by the killing of 3rd party apps. I find it insane that people can be so self-absorbed and short-sighted, but that’s just how most people are.
For those who still have a reddit account, I took the liberty to remind u/spez that he, too, wasn’t democratically elected, so I created a referendum post on whether he should remain in his position as a CEO. Maybe give this an upvote if you want to.
Upvoted, but it won’t work.
Of course it won’t. But it would help to colour him as the hypocrite he is.
hypocrite
Literally founded the place; chosen by co-founders/people with stakes in the company to be their CEO. That’s how businesses work, OP, stop being silly.
No problem with that. The hypocritical part is that he argued that mods are bad, because they aren’t chosen democratically. Here’s the quote I have trouble with:
“If you’re a politician or a business owner, you are accountable to your constituents." “And I think, on Reddit, the analogy is closer to the landed gentry: The people who get there first get to stay there and pass it down to their descendants, and that is not democratic.”
He says, the mods are bad because they haven’t been elected. But neither has he.
If he wants to suppress mods because they weren’t voted in, maybe there should be a vote about his position.
Yeah his argument is dumb - if you don’t like a particular sub or how it is run, you can (or could), create a new one. This new move by reddit makes that pointlesss- literally saying if they don’t like how you run it, they’ll take it over. How is that ‘democratic’?
undefined> mods are bad, because they aren’t chosen democratically
Why do you think a guy who started/runs the company should be held to the same standards as its users? I open a cake shop, I get to make the rules, even though I’m not ‘democratically elected’ by my customers. The very idea that someone has to vote me in is hilarious to me. If, in my shop, I let you run a lemonade stand, you won’t have the same rights as I. How is this not obvious?
So because he’s the CEO he shouldn’t be held to standards? Bold take.
But sure, he doesn’t have to follow any standards. He can run Reddit in the ground as much as he likes. But he can’t expect the mods and the users to stay if he holds others to ridiculous standards while not caring a bit about his own standards.
But he can’t expect the mods and the users to stay
I doubt he does, hence this shitstorm
That is not what they said and you know it, don’t be obtuse.
Of course the CEO of the company gets more freedom than you, a user. Guess what, if you’re in my house you have less freedom than I do. I can do whatever the fuck I want, because it’s my house. You do not get to do whatever you want in my house, because it’s my house. Bold take, I know.
Why do you think a guy who started/runs the company should be held to the same standards as its users?
The hypocrisy is that Spez is saying the fact a moderator starts a sub doesn’t entitle them to being in power when they become unpopular, yet he is entitled to retain his power when he becomes unpopular. The point of business being different is moot because Spez states, in the same quoted block, that this also applies to businesses.
That’s how businesses work
Is it?
If it is, should they? Feels like you’re blindly assuming that it HAS to be that way. I wholly disagree that it does.
undefined> If it is, should they?
Don’t go late stage capitalism on me now.
Don’t go boot-licking feudalist on me now.
It’s my basic inalienable human right to scrool and upvoot my reddits with Apollo on my iPhone! Give it me now or I’ll run away you… you feudal Nazi!!1!
Some tendies before you go, Che?
@Lorez @squaresinger But their business is… not working :D
It never did, that’s the point. Ran at a loss from day one. Possible (likely?) the funding’s drying up, so might be a sink-or-swim moment for them.
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Again?ˆˆ
Done, cross posted to r/madisonwi
We deleted our Reddit account a few days ago.
Scum
This was bound to happen. On the eve of their IPO, they need to show that the site is running normally and that it shows promise to be profitable.
Now I’m not so sure whoever they pick to be more will be up for the task considering that they have gimped mod tools.
We seem to be getting to them. Let them hire their mods, quality will go down, and we’ll still be here :)
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Yeah, moderating a large sub isn’t as shake-and-bake as the admins seem to think. They might “hire” scabs, but the scabs are probably going to slack off pretty hard and might not even understand the tools and procedures that can make it effective but not stifling to content.
Right on. They’ll try to get any type of free labor before actual hiring. Anything that involves hiring is going to affect Reddit’s operating costs and will reflect poorly on the balance sheet when it comes to the IPO.
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It’s like he thinks that mods are his employees who have to listen to him. Remember the 21st rule of acquisition “Never place friendship above profit.”
Fuck Reddit
If they did this normally instead of the garbage sub request system then honestly their site might be a little fucking better, but doing it just now is blatant and gross
literally, it’s absolute bullshit, I’ve tried to revive some banned subreddits and I always get rejected. the system is gross in every way.
And I’m sure these new moderators would do just as good of a job as the old passionate ones! /s
Thats just funny. The perm bans, they only ever did, ceratinly ydidn’t hurt the site
We should convince them to ask for a wage.
