Lemmy's Image Problem
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The popular Reddit alternative's user count has grown a lot over the past year. One problem, though: users and admins can't delete images.

Highlighting the recent report of users and admins being unable to delete images, and how Trust & Safety tooling is currently lacking.

    • maynarkh@feddit.nlEnglish
      30·
      8 months ago

      You are responsible for data collected by your own instance. If a deletion request comes through, you are responsible for deleting it from your account, and forwarding the deletion request and responses to other instance you federate with. You are in the clear as long as you don’t keep data you legally can’t, and have sufficiently informed other instances of your obligations.

    • SupraMario@lemmy.worldEnglish
      918·
      8 months ago

      You can’t and this is a shit article…the GDPR doesn’t apply to instance outside of the EU…

      The GDPR even applies if no financial transaction occurs if the US company sells or markets products via the Internet to EU residents and accepts the currency of an EU country, has a domain suffix for an EU country, offers shipping services to an EU country, provides translation in the language of an EU country, markets in the language of an EU country, etc.

      https://www.dickinson-wright.com/news-alerts/what-usbased-companies-need-to-know#:~:text=The GDPR even applies if,language of an EU country%2C

      Literally people using the GDPR like it’s some gotcha thing for admins. If nothing is sold or offered to be sold and their is no financial gain it’s not going to apply. On top of that good luck suing a FOSS dev.

      Edit: that downvote button does jack shit on Lemmy people. If you think I’m wrong why not prove that I’m wrong…and why a bunch of law firms are wrong as well.

      • maynarkh@feddit.nlEnglish
        21·
        8 months ago

        You can’t and this is a shit article…the GDPR doesn’t apply to instance outside of the EU…

        It absolutely does, if the company processes data of EU residents. The US enforces GDPR themselves, as they have signed an agreement to do so. To be clear, this means that according to US law, if you are a US web host, you can abuse US customer data and the FBI will not come after you, but if you do so with EU customer data, US authorities will come after you on behalf of the EU.

        Literally people using the GDPR like it’s some gotcha thing for admins. If nothing is sold or offered to be sold and their is no financial gain it’s not going to apply.

        Yeah it does, as soon as you are providing a service, if you have a user from the EU that’s not you, it applies. And while GDPR fines are defined in a revenue percentage, there is a minimum of “up to 10 million EUR” for a violation.

        On top of that good luck suing a FOSS dev.

        Nobody is getting sued. EU data protection agencies don’t “sue” people and companies. They fine them. The difference is that a lawsuit is a process where at the end you might need to pay money, but you mostly settle. A GDPR fine looks like you get a letter saying you need to pay an amount, if you want to appeal, you can do so after paying.

        And it’s not the devs that will be getting these fines, it’s instance admins.

        • yamanii@lemmy.worldEnglish
          10·
          8 months ago

          And this is why misskey is a mastodon instance that just blocked access if the person is from the EU, it’s too much to ask for devs in a single digit that survive by donations or their own pocket money, this is a hobby for them.

          • maynarkh@feddit.nlEnglish
            41·
            8 months ago

            Did they defederate from all instances allowing access to EU citizens? If not, they are still liable, as they are scraping EU citizen’s data for federation. Even usernames are personal data according to the GDPR.

        • SupraMario@lemmy.worldEnglish
          36·
          8 months ago

          It absolutely does, if the company processes data of EU residents. The US enforces GDPR themselves, as they have signed an agreement to do so. To be clear, this means that according to US law, if you are a US web host, you can abuse US customer data and the FBI will not come after you, but if you do so with EU customer data, US authorities will come after you on behalf of the EU.

          No it does not, the instances are free, no one is making money off user data or selling anything to the user. It does not apply period.

          Yeah it does, as soon as you are providing a service, if you have a user from the EU that’s not you, it applies. And while GDPR fines are defined in a revenue percentage, there is a minimum of “up to 10 million EUR” for a violation.

          No it does not, if you do not sell anything to anyone or offer any services or make any money it doesn’t apply. Stop repeating bullshit.

          Nobody is getting sued. EU data protection agencies don’t “sue” people and companies. They fine them. The difference is that a lawsuit is a process where at the end you might need to pay money, but you mostly settle. A GDPR fine looks like you get a letter saying you need to pay an amount, if you want to appeal, you can do so after paying.

          Good luck fining a host admin, of a foss instance. I don’t know why you think that any admins of instances will be getting fined if they’re not selling anything. You need to read up on the GDPR.

          And it’s not the devs that will be getting these fines, it’s instance admins.

          Again, no they will not.

          • Maalus@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            8 months ago

            Why are you trying to be an authority on GDPR without even reading about what it is?

            GDPR applies to all personal data of people currently in the EU. If you have a service that uses data from a person in the EU, you need to comply with it. It’s not some “gotcha” law which goes in effect once you make money.

            • SupraMario@lemmy.worldEnglish
              22·
              8 months ago

              What personal data is a Lemmy instance holding onto?

              I’m pointing out how much bullshit is being spread in this damn thread by people who don’t understand the law. You’re the same damn users who get pissy with forums and demand action be taken using a law you don’t understand.

                • SupraMario@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  22·
                  8 months ago

                  Says the guy who’s literally arguing with what lawyers in the USA say about the GDPR…good one.

                  • Maalus@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    22·
                    8 months ago

                    Show me a lawyer that says “if you are processing data of EU citizens you can’t get fined in the US”. You don’t know anything about GDPR. It’s not some toothless law that only works in Europe.

          • maynarkh@feddit.nlEnglish
            31·
            8 months ago

            No it does not, the instances are free, no one is making money off user data or selling anything to the user. It does not apply period.

            As per official EU communication:

            The GDPR applies to:

            • a company or entity which processes personal data as part of the activities of one of its branches established in the EU, regardless of where the data is processed; or
            • a company established outside the EU and is offering goods/services (paid or for free) or is monitoring the behaviour of individuals in the EU.

            Lemmy instances are entities that offer free services and are arguably monitoring the behaviour of individuals in the EU through federation. From the perspective of the GDPR, there is no difference between Facebook and a Lemmy instance regarding what they can or cannot do, or whether they get fined for something.

            You need to read up on the GDPR yourself.

            • SupraMario@lemmy.worldEnglish
              21·
              8 months ago

              What personal data is being processed by a Lemmy instance, what are they processing that’s being sold in the EU? The GDPR does not apply here, stop trying to wiggle it into something it’s not.

              • maynarkh@feddit.nlEnglish
                2·
                8 months ago

                Usernames at the very least, as online identifiers.

                Art. 4 GDPR Definitions

                For the purposes of this Regulation:

                ‘personal data’ means any information relating to an identified or identifiable natural person (‘data subject’); an identifiable natural person is one who can be identified, directly or indirectly, in particular by reference to an identifier such as a name, an identification number, location data, an online identifier or to one or more factors specific to the physical, physiological, genetic, mental, economic, cultural or social identity of that natural person;

                And they don’t need to be sold, just retained. GDPR applies even if there is no payment anywhere, even to non-commercial entities.

                • SupraMario@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  21·
                  8 months ago

                  Usernames are not PII…the GDPR only applies if someone is making money from the service. It does not mean just because your site is free but hosts ads or sells user data it’s exempt. Lemmy instances do none of this.

                  • maynarkh@feddit.nlEnglish
                    2·
                    8 months ago

                    Usernames are not PII

                    What do you think an online identifier is then? And why would the GDPR only apply if there is money made? It specifically says in multiple places free services also count.

            • SupraMario@lemmy.worldEnglish
              21·
              8 months ago

              Nothing in there about the gdpr… literally 0, because it’s not part of hosting a forum that doesn’t host private user data or collect non essential cookies.