The toll of at least 30,035 killed, from Gaza’s Hamas-run health ministry, has previously been described as trustworthy by the World Health Organization’s (WHO) regional emergency director Richard Brennan.
The WHO says the ministry has “good capacity in data collection” and its previous reporting has been credible and “well developed”.
But its overall tally of those killed does not distinguish between civilians and combatants.
The Gaza authorities’ last demographic breakdown from 29 February indicated more than 70% of those killed had been women and children.
No one who commits genocide should be believed. They are genocidal liars.
Defund Israel.
Out of 30,000 dead Gazans, the IDF says they killed about 10,000 Hamas fighters. That’s terrible performance for such a well trained and well equipped military. It’s almost as if they were just wantonly bombing Gaza with zero concern over collateral damage because it’s a genocide/ethnic cleansing.
This is assuming all the men killed are Hamas.
A 2:1 civilian to soldier killed ratio is actually pretty much average for urban combat. Mosul and Aleppo were both closer to 3:1. Neither were labelled genocide.
That said, the amount of murdered civilians vs soldiers is not the deciding factor on whether something is genocide or not. You can massacre a village of a few dozen people and it can be labelled genocide. It’s in the intent.
Well said. Genocide has a few definitions, but all involve the intent for wholesale destruction of an ethnic or religious group.
In most cases, we look for large population drops of established groups due to murderous actions as a way to infer intent. The systematic killing of 99% of the Vietnamese population living in Cambodia under Pol Pot might be the most clear example. The killing of ~80% of the Tutsi ethnic group in Rwanda is another.
There are also small-scale examples, such as ISIS killing off ~5000 Iraqi Turkmen. In this case the ethnic group was only targeted in regions ISIS controlled, limiting the damage, but the intent to kill as many as possible was clear.
How you apply this to Gaza is a personal value judgement right now. Only about 1% of the population has been killed, but there are also statements by some Israeli officials demonstrating intent, and some of the IDF actions are at best cavalier.
Hamas had 10,000 fighters? 🤔
"According to the International Institute for Strategic Studies’ (IISS) Military Balance 2023, Israel has 169,500 active military personnel in the army, navy, and paramilitary.
Crucially, a further 465,000 constitutes its reserve forces."
vs.
“In 2021, The Times of Israel quoted an unnamed senior Israeli commander as saying Hamas had an army of 30,000 men.”
“Fighters” aged under 12 and carrying toys.
Just curious, would a 17 year old with an AK count as a child in this statistic?
Honestly most of the hamas soldiers are probably under-age.
I believe they would, because Hamas is the one putting out these numbers and they have every incentive to do this as a propaganda win.
Teenage soldiers are a particularly tragic part of this war, being both victims and legitimate targets. Hamas has used child soldiers extensively in the past, and given that the average age in Gaza is about 17, we would expect a large fraction of Hamas soldiers to be teenagers. Further, they would represent the lowest ranking members who would be put in the most danger.
Under IHL, if Israel captures a child soldier they are required to separate them from other POWs and give them counseling and treatment. As a practical matter though, it may be difficult to verify that someone with no ID is 17. It will be interesting to see to what extent they complied with this in a few years.
Hmmmm, killing 30k in 4 months, destroying half of all homes in Gaza, displacing 75-80% of the population, destroying all the hospitals and a large chunk of the civilian infrastructure and causing a humanitarian catastrophe sounds to me like a textbook example of how you radicalize the entire population in Gaza.
Do you think you will stay indifferent if you were on the other side of the fence? I don’t think so. And then act surprised when people are radicalized and blame outside forces for this radicalization.
If there weren’t a siege in Gaza, Hamas wouldn’t exist. How many peaceful and prosperous nations do you know with terrorist organizations? Exactly none, because terrorism is flourishing from the hardships of people. And it is a bit naïve to think that the current events would lead to a long lasting peace.
This war is so boring it is not news anymore
Then why are you reading and commenting on this post?
Because I can
Then the news is probably not as boring as you claim because it caught your interest enough to read and comment, and reply
You were gonna reply to me that shit regardless lol
Cool story bro
Nah. Internet edgelords trolling threads about a controversial war are boring…
Damn, you should then never open any history book of WWII as it will bore you to death.
