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    8 months ago

    No one sucks a cock for a few cigarettes. Your claims are ridiculous nonsense. Nicotine is harmful, cigarettes are terrible and difficult to quit, but they are not 10 times more addictive than heroin, christ.

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      8 months ago

      How addictive it is doesn’t translate as to how harmful it can be to your psyche and/or how bad the withdrawal effects are, which is what translates into people doing crazy shit for heroin, for example.

      It is also ignoring how much easier you can get nicotine, compared to heroin.

      This is an incredibly short sighted comment.

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        Uh, I did not say cigarettes are good, or deny that they are harmful to many aspects of your health. I am simply pointing out that claiming they are as addictive as heroin is ridiculous and stupid.

        Withdrawals from cigarettes are not the same thing, they just aren’t. I cannot believe I even need to say this. How is this conversation a thing?

        It minimizes any actual discourse on the issue because anyone with half a brain is going to see that.

        A better way to encourage change is to use real, actual facts.

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          8 months ago

          I precisely said that withdrawals aren’t the same between the two. You simply don’t understand how something can be more or less addictive, while the addictions can have radically different effects and consequences.

          You can literally die from alcohol withdrawal, while that could never happen for nicotine withdrawal and yet, nicotine is much more addictive than alcohol, IE you get addicted to it much more easily.

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        How addictive it is doesn’t translate as to how harmful it can be to your psyche and/or how bad the withdrawal effects are

        Yes it does? “In the context of criteria for addiction of dependence presented by the World Health Organization, the American Psychiatric Association, and the US Surgeon General, we consider several lines of evidence, including patterns of mortality, physical dependence potential, and pharmacologic addiction liability measures.”.

        It is also ignoring how much easier you can get nicotine, compared to heroin.

        Availability isn’t something utilized to measure a substance’s potential for addiction. It’s a factor when we evaluate how widespread the addiction may become, but not for how addicted an individual will be.

        This is an incredibly short sighted comment.

        This has been an incredibly inaccurate comment.

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      8 months ago

      Not sure why you are being down voted, you are completely correct

      Most “facts” surrounding drug addiction are just marketing schemes that lobbyists like DARE have claimed over the years.

      No nicotine is not 10x more addictive than cocaine, and no it’s not more addictive than heroin. As others have said addiction is measured in different ways, but the most important modifier is withdrawal symptoms. Compared to nicotine or cocaine, heroin withdrawal is several magnitudes worse, and the only one that can kill you.