The White House is considering executive action that would allow President Joe Biden to effectively shut down the border to migrants crossing unlawfully, according to three sources familiar with the matter—a maneuver reminiscent of controversial action from the Donald Trump era and is sure to invite fierce backlash from immigration advocates and progressives.
And you all told me the blue maga border bill that Republicans rejected was 4d chess.
I’ve keep being put into a position where I have to further my consideration in voting for Biden.
He’s the strongest the Democrats can muster, we can’t have any one else (but please don’t criticize him, he’s incredibly weak, a strong breeze will knock him over). Hes the best option we’ve got to stop a Palestinian genocice (oh except earlier today he vetoed a vote via the UN that could have stopped the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people). But we have to vote Biden because Trump would probably be worse (even though, you know, Biden is the one right now supporting the genocide. not hypothetical).
If you think this delusional policy is defensible, right here right now, you are part of the problem.
NO right wing voter is going to support Biden. PERIOD. NONE. You will ONLY get votes for Biden stepping to the left. Literally every Democratic victory in 60 fucking years have happened that way. But yeah, keep pursuing these genocidal right of Rumsfield positions, Democrats. I"m sure you’ll find that center once you have cripwalked past Cheny’s undead beating heart of evil.
THe entire last decade of political progress made by progressives has been lost because of this idiot.
You will ONLY get votes for Biden stepping to the left.
This is fucking delusional. Democrats are not all further to the left than Biden - you’ll never get conservative votes, but you can sure as shit lose moderate Democrats. And the only leftists not voting Dem at this point, with ‘Day-One Dictator’ running, are people who run fucking purity tests and won’t be satisfied until Biden is waving a red flag. Which, while amusing, is not a realistic way to win an election in the current US.
Listen, I will be voting for Biden, who is clearly worlds better than Trump. But the idea that Palestinian Americans who won’t vote for someone funding the ethnic cleansing of their own family members are “purity test” losers is…well, its a take.
Yeah, no, if the opinion is that “This decades-long US policy of supporting a foreign country isn’t ending now, therefore, everyone in the US and in Palestine can get fucked, including me and all of my family members”, that’s not an opinion worth taking seriously.
You can say it’s an understandable emotional reaction, but it sure as shit isn’t a reasonable one.
This frames voting for Biden as a white man’s burden to save Palestinians from their own emotions. Surely you see a problem here?
Holy fuck, this is the stupidest and worst fucking take outside of pure genocide cheerleading I’ve ever fucking seen for justifying a fucking genocide.
This genocide could be stopped tomorrow if the US stopped providing weapons and money for the genocide.
This isn’t some stupid fucking “White mans burden” (I have trouble writing that out because of how despicably idiotic it is) bullshit. If we stopped giving one side the bombs, they would stop falling on the fucking Palestinians. We are directly responsible for the murder of their family members, and you’re arguing that they need to vote for the single individual that could stop the murder with one phone call.
You want Palestinians in the US to continue paying for and supplying the bombs, shells, and bullets being used to kill their family members. And you’re justifying it with language that is supposed to be used for arguing for justice. Yay for intersectionality!
You know those memes of a bomber decked out in rainbow flags as it drops bombs on some ‘enemy’ of America? That’s you. You’re using the language of progressivism to justify murder. Good job.
I’m pretty sure that you wouldn’t be capable of looking them in the eye and saying the same thing.
What, looking them in the eye and saying “Voting for millions of minorities in America to be oppressed and killed isn’t going to save anyone, but it sure as shit will kill and oppress millions of minorities”?
Sorry that I feel that “MORE people need to suffer” is not a reasonable reaction to suffering?
Fuck you genocide apologist. You’ve made it clear you’re willing to sacrifice anyone for your own safety.
As opposed to be willing to sacrifice everyone else out of… what, spite?
Which, come to think of it, is an extremely right wing fascist viewpoint.
Fascists don’t go to war because they’re scared, though they often are scared as well. Fascists go to war because human suffering is their highest goal.
You wanna explain to me what oppressing millions of minorities achieves, other than human suffering?
I’m sorry if not supporting genocide is a purity test. Ohh, fuck workers rights too. And let’s add on the endless wars/drone strikes that Democrats like also.
I am starting to think this is Chuck Schumers secret account with this dumb ass, proven wrong “for every liberal vote we lose, we’ll gain two suburban moms” math.
It’s amazing to me that you’re more angry with the people who can’t vote for an ongoing genocide, then you are for the fucked up undemocratic private process of the Democratic party that is forcing someone unpopular enough to lose without the left because of the genocide.
Also, you know when lgbt people say that they won’t accept rights by abandoning their trans brothers and sisters? You’re the blue MAGA fuck they’re talking about.
Preserving a democracy that sacrifices people or commits genocide is not really preserving a democracy, it’s preserving mob rule without protection for minorities.
You’re in love with a process that doesn’t exist anymore.
I’ve keep being put into a position where I have to further my consideration in voting for Biden.
No you don’t. Because you have 2 options: Biden or Trump. If you are considering Trump as a legitimate pick, then just say you’re a fascist and save everyone time.
You will ONLY get votes for Biden stepping to the left.
Despite what the internet says, most of America is not that progressive. Else we’d have more progressive candidates down ballot. People love to removed and whine about how there’s no good options. Well that’s because America is pretty conservative on a lot of issues. It’s not like there’s this giant leap from left-leaning to far-right fascists. It’s a huge spectrum. People not wanting to recognize this is why we get posts like this.
If America was truly as progressive as some people thought, a third party could sweep the Democrats with a popular progressive candidate. Unfortunately that’s just not the case. But it is changing. Albeit slowly.
So get out there and campaign or run for office. Because this kind of grandstanding only creates voter apathy.
If America was truly as progressive as some people thought, a third party could sweep the Democrats with a popular progressive candidate
In a word, no. The GOP and the DNC actively collude to ensure that no one else can compete.
No you don’t. Because you have 2 options: Biden or Trump. If you are considering Trump as a legitimate pick, then just say you’re a fascist
So our choices are 1) fascists who support a fascist or 2) ethnic cleansing apologists who are 100% okay with voting for the man supplying weapons and aid to those committing the cleansing.
In 1932, Hitler ran against the war hero Paul von Hindenburg for president, and received 36.8 percent of the vote. … Though the Nazis never attained more than 37 percent of the vote at the height of their popularity in 1932, Hitler was able to grab absolute power in Germany largely due to divisions and inaction among the majority who opposed Nazism.
But your point stands: Hitler gained power in a legitimate fashion. Chancellorship (it’s why that’s the fascist win condition in Secret Hitler, not Hitler being elected President). And then he took the rest of the power and made himself a dictator. Which is why we should be absolutely terrified of risking a Trump election. Giving him the pretense of legitimacy will only make it that much easier for him to take absolute power. And Trump has said he would. He said he’d be “dictator for a day”. Which is the biggest red flag possible.
If America was truly as progressive as some people thought, a third party could sweep the Democrats with a popular progressive candidate.
Yeah fucking right. Money is the number one determining factor in candidate success, and after that it is the organizational power of the DNC. How deluded do you have to be to think that ANY third party is going to be able to muster populist support given the current economic & political paradigm. I’m sorry, but that is just so fucking naive I can’t believe you even tried to float that.
They’re arguing against voting for a third party, just as you are.
I don’t agree with either of you, but this isn’t about what I agree with or disagree with:
You’re arguing that anyone voting for a third party is a waste, and that anyone arguing for that is naive.
The person you responded to is saying the same thing, but with more words, and the final paragraph arguing that if people are unhappy they should run or organize for political offices, rather than argue for or vote for a third party.
I guess you could potentially read that interpretation into what they said, but that is not how I personally took it. To me it seemed like they were arguing that if there was any real appetite for a progressive populist candidate that it would be possible to get them elected through grassroots support alone, and I just don’t agree with that at all for the reasons that I already stated. The nature of the two party system is that it necessarily creates the artificial appearance of majority support for candidates that would otherwise not even represent a plurality within their own party a lot of the time.
NO right wing voter is going to support Biden. PERIOD. NONE. You will ONLY get votes for Biden stepping to the left. Literally every Democratic victory in 60 fucking years have happened that way. But yeah, keep pursuing these genocidal right of Rumsfield positions, Democrats. I"m sure you’ll find that center once you have cripwalked past Cheny’s undead beating heart of evil.
Sure, he’s not going to get any right-wing voters, but is he going to lose left-wing voters? There’s still a center, and the majority of people are in there. That majority cares about things like this.
THe entire last decade of political progress made by progressives has been lost because of this idiot.
You lefties make me want to vote for trump. I’ve been a Democrat my entire life but I hate being associated with you idiots. Biden is a strong president and has done far more good than any president in the past 50 years but you’re too far up hasan pikers ass to see it.
If I see one more “lefty” talking shit about Biden, I’m voting for trump and getting the other fence centers to do so. And I hope he leaves NATO and abandons Palestine to be left a crater so you idiots can finally have a reason to cry (wouldn’t matter since you’re always crying).
Imagine thinking that your candidate is above criticism for enabling a genocide 🤡
Go ahead and do what you’re going to do. If someone correctly criticizing Biden for being too right-wing makes you want to vote for Trump, you never had any principles anyway.
Criticism is fair play and he should be criticized for funding any war as a whole BUT Israel is our ally. That’s just how it goes. Although 28,000 deaths and counting is pretty messed up - I just don’t see how it’s our/Biden’s fault.
I’ve keep being put into a position where I have to further my consideration in voting for Biden.
He’s the strongest the Democrats can muster, we can’t have any one else (but please don’t criticize him, he’s incredibly weak, a strong breeze will knock him over). Hes the best option we’ve got to stop a Palestinian genocice (oh except earlier today he vetoed a vote via the UN that could have stopped the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people). But we have to vote Biden because Trump would probably be worse (even though, you know, Biden is the one right now supporting the genocide. not hypothetical).
If you think this delusional policy is defensible, right here right now, you are part of the problem.
NO right wing voter is going to support Biden. PERIOD. NONE. You will ONLY get votes for Biden stepping to the left. Literally every Democratic victory in 60 fucking years have happened that way. But yeah, keep pursuing these genocidal right of Rumsfield positions, Democrats. I"m sure you’ll find that center once you have cripwalked past Cheny’s undead beating heart of evil.
THe entire last decade of political progress made by progressives has been lost because of this idiot.
This is fucking delusional. Democrats are not all further to the left than Biden - you’ll never get conservative votes, but you can sure as shit lose moderate Democrats. And the only leftists not voting Dem at this point, with ‘Day-One Dictator’ running, are people who run fucking purity tests and won’t be satisfied until Biden is waving a red flag. Which, while amusing, is not a realistic way to win an election in the current US.
Listen, I will be voting for Biden, who is clearly worlds better than Trump. But the idea that Palestinian Americans who won’t vote for someone funding the ethnic cleansing of their own family members are “purity test” losers is…well, its a take.
Yeah, no, if the opinion is that “This decades-long US policy of supporting a foreign country isn’t ending now, therefore, everyone in the US and in Palestine can get fucked, including me and all of my family members”, that’s not an opinion worth taking seriously.
You can say it’s an understandable emotional reaction, but it sure as shit isn’t a reasonable one.
What’s unreasonable is acting like not supporting the active genocide of your own people is unreasonable.
Especially since you’re conflating genocide with apartheid.
I have friends that have lost the ENTIRETY of their extended families, you sick fuck.
Mother, father, sisters, brothers, cousins, aunts and uncles all murdered in a single fucking night.
I’m pretty sure that you wouldn’t be capable of looking them in the eye and saying the same thing. Or, at least, not if you had any human decency.
Edit: changed lost to murdered because they didn’t just mysteriously die.
This frames voting for Biden as a white man’s burden to save Palestinians from their own emotions. Surely you see a problem here?
Holy fuck, this is the stupidest and worst fucking take outside of pure genocide cheerleading I’ve ever fucking seen for justifying a fucking genocide.
This genocide could be stopped tomorrow if the US stopped providing weapons and money for the genocide.
This isn’t some stupid fucking “White mans burden” (I have trouble writing that out because of how despicably idiotic it is) bullshit. If we stopped giving one side the bombs, they would stop falling on the fucking Palestinians. We are directly responsible for the murder of their family members, and you’re arguing that they need to vote for the single individual that could stop the murder with one phone call.
You want Palestinians in the US to continue paying for and supplying the bombs, shells, and bullets being used to kill their family members. And you’re justifying it with language that is supposed to be used for arguing for justice. Yay for intersectionality!
You know those memes of a bomber decked out in rainbow flags as it drops bombs on some ‘enemy’ of America? That’s you. You’re using the language of progressivism to justify murder. Good job.
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What, looking them in the eye and saying “Voting for millions of minorities in America to be oppressed and killed isn’t going to save anyone, but it sure as shit will kill and oppress millions of minorities”?
Sorry that I feel that “MORE people need to suffer” is not a reasonable reaction to suffering?
Fuck you genocide apologist. You’ve made it clear you’re willing to sacrifice anyone for your own safety.
Which, come to think of it, is an extremely right wing fascist viewpoint.
What is your problem with Trump again? You don’t have a problem with genocide.
As opposed to be willing to sacrifice everyone else out of… what, spite?
Fascists don’t go to war because they’re scared, though they often are scared as well. Fascists go to war because human suffering is their highest goal.
You wanna explain to me what oppressing millions of minorities achieves, other than human suffering?
You want to explain to me what your are not willing to sacrifice in the ‘name’ of democracy?
You’re okay with genocide.
You’re okay with separating kids from their families and throwing them in cages.
Seriously, what is it about Trump that you’re not willing to support?
I’m sorry if not supporting genocide is a purity test. Ohh, fuck workers rights too. And let’s add on the endless wars/drone strikes that Democrats like also.
Enjoy having no standards and morals.
I am starting to think this is Chuck Schumers secret account with this dumb ass, proven wrong “for every liberal vote we lose, we’ll gain two suburban moms” math.
It’s amazing to me that you’re more angry with the people who can’t vote for an ongoing genocide, then you are for the fucked up undemocratic private process of the Democratic party that is forcing someone unpopular enough to lose without the left because of the genocide.
Also, you know when lgbt people say that they won’t accept rights by abandoning their trans brothers and sisters? You’re the blue MAGA fuck they’re talking about.
Preserving a democracy that sacrifices people or commits genocide is not really preserving a democracy, it’s preserving mob rule without protection for minorities.
You’re in love with a process that doesn’t exist anymore.
Biden has lost Michigan at this point. Biden is putting Democratic strongholds at risk with these policy decisions.
We need a new candidate and we need them now. Biden will not win like this, and no amount of water carrying on your part can change that.
No you don’t. Because you have 2 options: Biden or Trump. If you are considering Trump as a legitimate pick, then just say you’re a fascist and save everyone time.
Despite what the internet says, most of America is not that progressive. Else we’d have more progressive candidates down ballot. People love to removed and whine about how there’s no good options. Well that’s because America is pretty conservative on a lot of issues. It’s not like there’s this giant leap from left-leaning to far-right fascists. It’s a huge spectrum. People not wanting to recognize this is why we get posts like this.
If America was truly as progressive as some people thought, a third party could sweep the Democrats with a popular progressive candidate. Unfortunately that’s just not the case. But it is changing. Albeit slowly.
So get out there and campaign or run for office. Because this kind of grandstanding only creates voter apathy.
In a word, no. The GOP and the DNC actively collude to ensure that no one else can compete.
So our choices are 1) fascists who support a fascist or 2) ethnic cleansing apologists who are 100% okay with voting for the man supplying weapons and aid to those committing the cleansing.
Hitler was voted in.
Part of the problem with the political system of fascism is that it leads to scapegoating and then genocide.
We’ve got genocide right now, though.
Not quite. He was named chancellor. https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/adolf-hitler-1
But your point stands: Hitler gained power in a legitimate fashion. Chancellorship (it’s why that’s the fascist win condition in Secret Hitler, not Hitler being elected President). And then he took the rest of the power and made himself a dictator. Which is why we should be absolutely terrified of risking a Trump election. Giving him the pretense of legitimacy will only make it that much easier for him to take absolute power. And Trump has said he would. He said he’d be “dictator for a day”. Which is the biggest red flag possible.
Yeah fucking right. Money is the number one determining factor in candidate success, and after that it is the organizational power of the DNC. How deluded do you have to be to think that ANY third party is going to be able to muster populist support given the current economic & political paradigm. I’m sorry, but that is just so fucking naive I can’t believe you even tried to float that.
Jesus, get some reading comprehension skills. The person you’re responding to agrees with you.
No, no they do not.
They’re arguing against voting for a third party, just as you are.
I don’t agree with either of you, but this isn’t about what I agree with or disagree with:
You’re arguing that anyone voting for a third party is a waste, and that anyone arguing for that is naive.
The person you responded to is saying the same thing, but with more words, and the final paragraph arguing that if people are unhappy they should run or organize for political offices, rather than argue for or vote for a third party.
I guess you could potentially read that interpretation into what they said, but that is not how I personally took it. To me it seemed like they were arguing that if there was any real appetite for a progressive populist candidate that it would be possible to get them elected through grassroots support alone, and I just don’t agree with that at all for the reasons that I already stated. The nature of the two party system is that it necessarily creates the artificial appearance of majority support for candidates that would otherwise not even represent a plurality within their own party a lot of the time.
Sure, he’s not going to get any right-wing voters, but is he going to lose left-wing voters? There’s still a center, and the majority of people are in there. That majority cares about things like this.
What progress is that?
You lefties make me want to vote for trump. I’ve been a Democrat my entire life but I hate being associated with you idiots. Biden is a strong president and has done far more good than any president in the past 50 years but you’re too far up hasan pikers ass to see it.
If I see one more “lefty” talking shit about Biden, I’m voting for trump and getting the other fence centers to do so. And I hope he leaves NATO and abandons Palestine to be left a crater so you idiots can finally have a reason to cry (wouldn’t matter since you’re always crying).
Imagine thinking that your candidate is above criticism for enabling a genocide 🤡
Go ahead and do what you’re going to do. If someone correctly criticizing Biden for being too right-wing makes you want to vote for Trump, you never had any principles anyway.
Criticism is fair play and he should be criticized for funding any war as a whole BUT Israel is our ally. That’s just how it goes. Although 28,000 deaths and counting is pretty messed up - I just don’t see how it’s our/Biden’s fault.
Great, now we’re having spite Olympics. What’s the point of citizenship if the citizenry isn’t going to take the matter seriously?
Lol no I will never vote for that moron. I was just behaving like you morons do - I must admit, it felt gross. I don’t know how you do it 24/7