• Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca
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    9 months ago

    The one thing that makes this difficult is that if you give someone money unconditionally, it has to go to everyone universally. You can’t just give it to people below a certain income level.

    If you have an income level limit to determine who will get it, people will decide against working if it puts them over the limit where they lose the provided income, and people working and getting just above that limit will resent having to work 40 hours a week to make just a little bit more than people who don’t work at all.

    But then if you provide everyone with money universally, how will that affect inflation? If everyone gets $1000 every month, stores know they can increase prices, corporate landlords know they can increase rents and get a piece of the pie, and eventually that $1000 is basically useless.

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      9 months ago

      Milton Friedman, a conservative economist from the 20th century, advocated for a negative income tax that worked similarly to a normal income tax. If you made $0 a year and filed a tax return, the government would give you let’s say the standard deduction (currently ~13k). As you increased your income, for every two dollars (could make this 3 or 4 too), you’d lose $1 of that negative income tax, so it would never be bad to make more money.

      For a 2:1 ratio you’d have to make 26k+ to get no money. Some number examples:

      Normal income + negative income tax = total income

      $0 + $13,000 = $13,000

      $6,500 + $9,750 = $16,250

      $13,000 + $6,500 = $19,500

      $19,500 + $3,250 = $22,750

      $26,000 + $0 = $26,000

      Making more money is never bad, and it still gets money to people who need it most with essentially no bureaucratic overhead.

      I’m a socialist who disagrees with the vast majority of the shit Milton Friedman spewed, but negative income tax wasn’t a terrible idea, I might even go as far to say it’s good (as long as the amount is high enough).

    • crackajack@reddthat.com
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      9 months ago

      To be fair, some people argue instead of universal basic utility. Having free housing and basic utilities to mitigate concerns of increasing inflation and rent. Many experts already advocate to treat housing as basic rights like education and food.

      I don’t see either UBI or UBU being implemented in the near to medium term. It would only be practical in the further future when AI becomes advanced enough that many jobs have been taken over by it, displacing many human workers.