“Either a fantasy I made up or a reality that’s objectively worse and happening right now as a result of an actual fascist waging a personal war, but the second one is better because at least we aren’t right wing amiright?”
I’ve asked this a few different times, and if you’re willing to answer, you’d be the first. How many people died to these death squads, in what year(s)?
I suspect a particular reason for the unwillingness to give a precise answer, but let’s see what you say.
No answer because I was busy with other shit lol. It’s not terribly hard to find either, here is a good overview of ukrainian fascism. CW for dead bodies, gruesome heartbreaking stuff.
Yes, I’ve seen people send me this type of thing before. You didn’t answer the question. How many, in what years? There’s a reason I am asking for specifics from you, so that then you’ll need to defend your own claim.
Irrelevant question. The point is about whether there are right wing death squads terrorising the people in east ukraine. There are my sources proving they exist. If you want to make up some weird statistic so you can have measure of how bad these nazis are in order to be able to dismiss them then you’re looking for nazi apologia. In which case you can fuck off.
The reason I’m asking is that, if it had actually happened, there would be a specific answer. That’s a hallmark of factual information; it might be true or false, but it’s specific and unchanging. You can compare it against other facts, and if it’s true, it lines up. For the most part all the different pieces fit together. Propaganda information changes wildly, or contradicts itself, and the conversation keeps coming back to emotional appeals or angry hostility, and away from simple factual questions.
When I first started asking this question, I was genuinely taking it pretty seriously. It was part of an extensive conversation with some people where I was looking up UN death and incident figures, watching Youtube videos like the ones you sent me, asking questions about what was being presented or looking things up for myself. I actually spent a whole bunch of time on it. So the original reason I asked was that I wanted to see if it was true or false, and the best way I know to do that is to dig for a lot of details, then compare them against other stuff, make sure they’re at least internally consistent, etc.
Every single conversation I’ve had about these supposed death squads went this way though.
Hey, how many people have died in Gaza during this war? “About 27,000 so far”
Hey, how many people died on Kristallnacht? “Early estimates were 91 on that particular night; modern estimates are in the range of hundreds”
Hey, how many people died to Ukrainian death squads in Donbas? “You fuck off watch this Youtube video dead children you’re obviously a Western idiot how dare you say there weren’t death squads fuck you fuck you fuck you Russia’s the best”
Hey, how many Japanese civilians died in Hiroshima? “Somewhere from 100,000 to 150,000”
See if you can spot the outlier. Again, I was originally asking about it expecting a specific answer and some kind of elaboration so I could compare it against other stuff to start to piece together whether it’s true, but it was a little hard to ignore the pattern once it started happening.
If what had actually happened? Nazis in donbass? Why dont you interact with what I said. I dont know what youtube video you’re talking about. What I linked is a three part series going into extreme detail about nazism in ukraine from WWII on as well as UN reports about missing persons in the region. Unless you interact with what I actually said I see no reason to continue this “conversation”
Obediently watching your videos while you absolutely refuse to answer simple questions about your position is not “interacting,” and I’m not interested in doing it.
I spent hours watching videos the last time I did this. If I decide I want to do it again, I’ll let you know. How many people died to these death squads in Donbas, in what year?
what videos dude wtf are you even talking about. I mean the reason there is no such statistic is because it’s not a singular event. Like take the burning of the trade unions building in odesa 2014, thats 43 dead. Is that high or low?
As the government crumbled and the nazi forces spread the russians in Ukraine had to cobble together their own defense forces. This was a time when the maidan “self-defense” force was still rather hooligan and street-fighter like. With the collapse of the government the police force evaporates and now you have a civil war. It’s not as clear cut as an organized, pre-meditated attack on an unarmed civilian population like in Gaza, during the Kristallnacht or Hiroshima. It’s a civil war that goes on for over a decade now. I dont understand why you’re so fixated on some statistic that doesn’t fit the situation at all.
Donbass (and Novorossia in general) has always been Russian. It’s pathetic that so many western dumbasses believe that Russia is ‘taking ukrainian land’. It’s not. It’s reclaiming its lands. And there’s nothing that nazi eu/us/ukro trash can do about it.
People of donbass: we rather wouldnt live with the terror of right wing death squads.
Setting aside the validity of the “death squad” propaganda, do you really believe that those people would prefer total war conditions?
On second thought, don’t answer that. There’s no good faith from people like you who gloss over the horrors of war.
“Its either fascist terrorism or total war” you do know who you sound like right?
“Either a fantasy I made up or a reality that’s objectively worse and happening right now as a result of an actual fascist waging a personal war, but the second one is better because at least we aren’t right wing amiright?”
Zero good faith from you, as predicted
Nice straw man but that’s not even remotely close to what was said
I’ve asked this a few different times, and if you’re willing to answer, you’d be the first. How many people died to these death squads, in what year(s)?
I suspect a particular reason for the unwillingness to give a precise answer, but let’s see what you say.
Edit: No answer. I am not surprised.
No answer because I was busy with other shit lol. It’s not terribly hard to find either, here is a good overview of ukrainian fascism. CW for dead bodies, gruesome heartbreaking stuff.
https://covertactionmagazine.com/2022/07/29/what-the-u-s-government-and-the-new-york-times-have-quietly-agreed-not-to-tell-you-about-ukraine/
Edit:
Actually just look through these reports: https://www.ohchr.org/en/documents-listing?field_content_category_target_id[180]=180&field_content_category_target_id[182]=182&field_geolocation_target_id[1136]=1136&field_entity_target_id[1349]=1349&field_entity_target_id[1350]=1350&field_published_date_value[min]=&field_published_date_value[max]=&sort_bef_combine=field_published_date_value_DESC&page=1
in particular this one
https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/Documents/Countries/UA/OHCHRThematicReportUkraineJan2014-May2016_EN.pdf
Yes, I’ve seen people send me this type of thing before. You didn’t answer the question. How many, in what years? There’s a reason I am asking for specifics from you, so that then you’ll need to defend your own claim.
Irrelevant question. The point is about whether there are right wing death squads terrorising the people in east ukraine. There are my sources proving they exist. If you want to make up some weird statistic so you can have measure of how bad these nazis are in order to be able to dismiss them then you’re looking for nazi apologia. In which case you can fuck off.
The reason I’m asking is that, if it had actually happened, there would be a specific answer. That’s a hallmark of factual information; it might be true or false, but it’s specific and unchanging. You can compare it against other facts, and if it’s true, it lines up. For the most part all the different pieces fit together. Propaganda information changes wildly, or contradicts itself, and the conversation keeps coming back to emotional appeals or angry hostility, and away from simple factual questions.
When I first started asking this question, I was genuinely taking it pretty seriously. It was part of an extensive conversation with some people where I was looking up UN death and incident figures, watching Youtube videos like the ones you sent me, asking questions about what was being presented or looking things up for myself. I actually spent a whole bunch of time on it. So the original reason I asked was that I wanted to see if it was true or false, and the best way I know to do that is to dig for a lot of details, then compare them against other stuff, make sure they’re at least internally consistent, etc.
Every single conversation I’ve had about these supposed death squads went this way though.
See if you can spot the outlier. Again, I was originally asking about it expecting a specific answer and some kind of elaboration so I could compare it against other stuff to start to piece together whether it’s true, but it was a little hard to ignore the pattern once it started happening.
If what had actually happened? Nazis in donbass? Why dont you interact with what I said. I dont know what youtube video you’re talking about. What I linked is a three part series going into extreme detail about nazism in ukraine from WWII on as well as UN reports about missing persons in the region. Unless you interact with what I actually said I see no reason to continue this “conversation”
Obediently watching your videos while you absolutely refuse to answer simple questions about your position is not “interacting,” and I’m not interested in doing it.
I spent hours watching videos the last time I did this. If I decide I want to do it again, I’ll let you know. How many people died to these death squads in Donbas, in what year?
what videos dude wtf are you even talking about. I mean the reason there is no such statistic is because it’s not a singular event. Like take the burning of the trade unions building in odesa 2014, thats 43 dead. Is that high or low?
As the government crumbled and the nazi forces spread the russians in Ukraine had to cobble together their own defense forces. This was a time when the maidan “self-defense” force was still rather hooligan and street-fighter like. With the collapse of the government the police force evaporates and now you have a civil war. It’s not as clear cut as an organized, pre-meditated attack on an unarmed civilian population like in Gaza, during the Kristallnacht or Hiroshima. It’s a civil war that goes on for over a decade now. I dont understand why you’re so fixated on some statistic that doesn’t fit the situation at all.
If even remotely true: then feel free to go back to Russia.
That’s like a chunk of New Jersey saying they want to go back to England lmao.
Besides, the referendum was illegimate and conducted at the point of a gun.
We have decided that this is going to happen, but only for Camden. Also we get Manhattan.
Donbass (and Novorossia in general) has always been Russian. It’s pathetic that so many western dumbasses believe that Russia is ‘taking ukrainian land’. It’s not. It’s reclaiming its lands. And there’s nothing that nazi eu/us/ukro trash can do about it.
They always have an account on hexbear, every single time, they could at least use a different username
You’ll note that this account is older. My hexbear account is an alt of this one, not the other way around.