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    11 months ago

    Don’t do anything to our rich overlords, you can leak millions of records of the middle and lower class and be fine. But how fucking dare you leak info on the rich

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      The only person to pay for the Panama Papers and the global oligarch’s financial tax schemes they revealed was the lead journalist who broke it, and She paid with her life in a violent, sending a message to others who would cross the global oligarchs way.

      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/16/malta-car-bomb-kills-panama-papers-journalist

      We have no power unless we rebel as entire economic classes, and there’s too many self hating, true believer, “love me senpai oligarch” class traitors for that to ever happen.

      That said, collapse is inevitable, entropy is absolute, and Rome always falls under the weight of its own corruption in the end. The snake of capitalism is choking on its own tail with no new room to grow/metastasize, which is the crux of their entire rigged con-game, and my only hope is that something better is made out of the ruins. Even that is a faint hope though. For every kind, empathetic person, there seems to be a sociopath opportunist that wants to manipulate and enslave them out of material selfishness.

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        I think you’re dead right about the situation we’re in, but it’s frustrating to see this kind of framing. It feels like a self fulfilling prophecy when everyone is already so sure that we have no chance…

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          I primaried and phone banked for Sanders twice, to nothing but ridicule from regular Americans for calling him too extreme and unrealistic. I supported Occupy Wall Street which was also met by little more than ridicule by those that should have joined.

          It’s not their fault, we’ve all been propagandized from birth through the curriculum the oligarchs inform from K-Colleges of economics, and the media they own to claim “the free (unregulated, rigged) market is self-correcting and virtuous, and anyone who doesn’t thrive under it deserves their suffering.” But the fact remains, the victims of this system are also its most numerous blind defenders.

          I’m not sure how reframing would change this reality. In my experience, the more informed about the situation, the more hopeless one recognizes it is. But as I said, Rome always falls in the end, and even the 3,000 billionaires on Earth can’t prevent entropy with their propaganda.

          It’s a tragedy, and it’s sad to watch though.

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            It still comes down to acceptance vs rejection, though, doesn’t it?

            I know it’s not that simple and I probably come off as an idealist, but I can’t accept it.

            I don’t know what the answers are yet, but rejecting their narrative is where it has to start.

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              Im all for fighting if you still have some. I hope I’m wrong and I’ll be there in the streets supporting your movement and glad for it if I am.

              The narrative of power is that there isn’t a problem at all/there isn’t a problem caused by the current rigged market capitalist system that said system isn’t the best candidate to solve. And it’s defended by victims of it so far into the sunk cost fallacy of it they’ll fight to defend that false narrative. That’s where we’re at.

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                My “movement” is in minds, not streets. Like you said, there are so many defenders of a broken system. Change has to happen in the mind before it will happen in the world.

                The more people see and hear “no hope” the more they accept it. The more accepted it is, the harder it will be to change, the harder we fall.

                I’m not trying to change your mind… I understand your position. It makes emotional sense, and I can absolutely empathize with being out of “fight.” I just can’t logically rationalize acceptance of it all.

                (I re-read it… hopefully the quotes don’t come off as sarcasm. They aren’t, I promise!)

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        The question I ask myself is this:

        Is the world shit, because people are shit?

        Or are people shit, because the world is shit, and the only way to survive it is to become shit?

        I’ve certainly noticed myself giving up on caring about a lot of things as I grow older. It grinds you down.

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          For me it’s a balance. I care about improving the world, and society, and people’s lives on the grand scale. Individually I hate almost everyone though.

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      I still don’t understand how the judge connected this to January 6th and said it is as dangerous. Was that trump assigned judge or something?

      Edit: it wasn’t, I still don’t understand how placing equality sign between this and January 6th. Also if they are equal, he is still getting a harsher sentence than most.

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        It’s not like Jan 6th. The people saying it is are trying to both-sides their insurrection. Notice they’re calling Biden’s management of the border “traitorous” as well. They’ll be calling everything they can treason or insurrection until November, or they find something that resonates at which point they’ll start opening BS congressional inqueries or impeachment cases about. Because once congress says they’re investigating something, it must be real, right?

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      11 months ago

      you can leak millions of records of the middle and lower class and be fine

      [Citation Needed]

      This act was very much illegal. Why shouldn’t he be found guilty of it?