• Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
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    11 months ago

    Eh, no. A lot of this crap is also being pushed by the latest wave of feminists who are of the “all men are rapists” type. I recall seeing this video a few years back about a guy trying to get into a meeting for those left after male suicide. Guy’s brother committed suicide, he wanted, needed to talk about this and was denied entry by a bunch of feminists who literally cheered that his brother had killed himself.

    Everybody deserves equal treatment, men, women, or whatever you identify as. In the past few years though, there had been a clear push against white men because they must all be racist or something? It’s weird.

    Either way, this is not just “toxic masculinity”, way too easy to again push it on that.

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      11 months ago

      It is still toxic masculinity, people just aren’t prepared to acknowledge the massive role women play in propagating it.

      • I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world
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        11 months ago

        So the belief by neo-feminists that all men are rapists and undeserving of sympathy is due to all men’s toxic personality? Am I getting that right? Seems like victim blaming.

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          11 months ago

          Calling it toxic masculinity isn’t victim blaming. Men are victims to toxic masculinity every day and it isn’t because they have a “toxic personality”, it’s because the “masculine” image and roles in society they are expected to uphold are toxic.

          The opinions of “neo feminists” are not what is typically held true either. Very few people think that way.

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            11 months ago

            “Toxic masculinity” is absolute dog shit as a name for it, and I’m sure the parent commenter is reacting to that.

            People use the adjective in plenty of adjective-noun pairs as an intensifier all the time. The ones railing against “deviant homosexuals” are not distinguishing them from the vanilla ones, nor do people who decry “evil pedophiles” recognize and support a non-evil variety. Thus, a lot of people hear the name “toxic masculinity” the same way, as if it is denouncing masculinity as a whole.

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            11 months ago

            Calling it toxic masculinity implies that none of this would be happening if patriarchy didn’t exist. That is horribly wrong.

        • SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works
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          11 months ago

          “Toxic masculinity” doesn’t imply “masculinity is inherently toxic”, but rather it refers to behaviors that are generally considered masculine, and are being described as toxic. You can talk about toxic femininity as well. A lot of people do, in fact, they just call it “being Karens”.

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            … and that most men are guilty of. When we blame men’s suffering on toxic masculinity, we are referring to the toxic masculinity in the behavior of men, and therefore we are blaming men’s suffering on men’s behavior.