Sorry, were you expecting the former president to tell everyone to chill out?
    • RealFknNito@lemmy.worldEnglish
      22·
      10 months ago

      This one’s even better because he’s calling for state governors to support a treasonous one. What saddens me is that if this does break out into full blown civil war, a lot of national guardsmen are going to be in the area of operations. Using people as human shields for his political agenda yet again.

      • TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee
        6·
        10 months ago

        The idealist in me wants to believe that the national guardsmen would be unwilling to kill their fellow Americans because a tangerine and governer hot wheels said so

        • RealFknNito@lemmy.worldEnglish
          11·
          10 months ago

          Well, even if all of them went off the reservation, there’s only 1500 of them. They’ll never disobey a direct order from the Commander in Chief but if they did, they wouldn’t pose too big of a threat.

  • june@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2061·
    10 months ago

    This fucker literally encouraging states to fight the federal government… alternatively known as engaging in civil war.

  • mozz@mbin.grits.dev
    1031·
    10 months ago

    Given how much of a hard time as he has with pretty minor inconveniences, I think it’s safe to say he has no fucking clue what the real outcomes are that he’s trying to encourage.

    I’m old enough to have family and family-of-friends who were personally around in WW2 and the occupation right after. Long story short, war’s not fun for anyone involved. If you don’t like having people say things about you in the newspapers, having people shooting at you or losing your home or not having anything to eat is going to be a real drag.

    • MD756@lemmy.world
      58·
      10 months ago

      War must be a lot easier when you know that you’re not going to be on the frontline, or something idk I’m not a general

      • mozz@mbin.grits.dev
        30·
        10 months ago

        Yeah. I think part of his thinking is that the suffering will happen to other people, and he’ll be safely insulated, far away. I won’t say he’s crazy for thinking that. That said:

        1. A lot of the people who are in a position to support him will be squarely in sufferingtown.
        2. A lot of dictators meet with bad ends. E.g. Putin supposedly obsessively worries over what happened to Gaddafi in the end (and Gaddafi was a hell of a lot more capable at this game than Trump is.)
        • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
          9·
          10 months ago

          Not to mention he’s protected by the Sevret Service.

          I doubt very much that they’ve all gone full traitor. All it takes is one guy whose kept some tiger balm on his lip and kept his mouth shut to put a few rounds in his head.

          Or more likely, to arrange for not-traitors to scoop him on the way to some rally.

      • kbotc@lemmy.worldEnglish
        31·
        10 months ago

        Florida’s National Guard is target practice for the US military. They’d be on Trump’s doorstep in hours.

    • TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee
      3·
      10 months ago

      Trump and his lackeys would never put themselves in actual danger, that’s what the poors are for

  • donuts@kbin.social
    882·
    10 months ago

    Trump leading another insurrection, but this time against the judicial branch instead of the legislative branch???

    SHOCKED fucking PIKACHU fucking FACE.

  • Jo Miran
    84·
    10 months ago

    Totally not an insurrectionist. Not at all.

      • PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world
        54·
        10 months ago

        Technically treason would require working with a foreign country or head of state. Things like selling state secrets to another government. While I don’t doubt that he’s a Russian agent, (we all agree Putin has some big dirt on him, right?) simply inciting a civil war would probably be considered an insurrection or coup, instead of treason.

        • kewjo@lemmy.world
          2·
          10 months ago

          18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason

          Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

          treason is more about declarations of war, a foreign party may be involved but it’s not required.

    • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
      13·
      10 months ago

      No no no! He means send the national guard to tour a government building, take selfies, and leave in an orderly manner. You’ve got the wrong idea. You must be Antifa.

  • Rufus Q. Bodine III@lemmy.worldEnglish
    55·
    10 months ago

    Pathetic, to abuse national guardsmen like this. Its a big disruption to their family and their employers to send them on an idiotic,grandstanding boondoggle like this.

  • skozzii@lemmy.ca
    461·
    10 months ago

    Ok, so now he is literally rallying troops, we still gonna just sit around?

  • badbytes@lemmy.world
    401·
    10 months ago

    Yeah… No one has gotten in any trouble by following Trump. Be obedient folks.

  • ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world
    381·
    10 months ago

    Do they realize President Biden can nationalize the national guard at the border and tell them to go home if he so chooses?

    • invertedspear@lemm.ee
      274·
      10 months ago

      Any guardsmen that would actually go to TX and support TX would be unlikely to follow the stand down order. I’m kind of curious how many would just follow orders going both directions.

      • Fondots@lemmy.world
        251·
        10 months ago

        It’s probably not as clear-cut as your making it out to be. These would be actually armed forces personnel, subject to all of the rules, regulations, chain of command, disciplinary consequences, etc. that come with that.

        Yes, they could possibly make an argument that they have a duty to disobey illegal orders, but not a totally clear-cut, black-and-white one, they’d likely still be looking at arrest, courts-martial, etc. if they straight-up refuse to deploy to Texas. They’re people with lives, family, regular jobs, etc. that would very likely have to get put on hold while everything gets sorted out and they may not necessarily come out on top. Depending on the exact context, it’s probably going to be hard to make an argument that simply going to Texas would be an illegal order.

        So if it happens, you can probably expect damn-near every guardsman from those states to go to Texas if they’re ordered to.

        What they’re ordered to do once they’re there is probably where they’d have a stronger case, but even still they’d have to carefully thread that needle if they want to avoid prison, dishonorable discharge, etc. There’s a lot they could be ordered to do that would be very objectionable but not quite meet the legal bar of being an illegal order that they’d be obligated to disobey.

      • ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world
        7·
        10 months ago

        They can’t exactly say no to going to TX, can they? It’s not going to be all soldiers who support the idea.

        • Maggoty@lemmy.world
          14·
          10 months ago

          They can’t say no to the general order to deploy. But the second they’re nationalized they have cover to follow the federal orders and ignore illegal orders from the governor.

        • KISSmyOS@feddit.de
          318·
          10 months ago

          It’s not easy to drag 19000 armed and trained men in front of a court where they might face the death penalty.

          • oatscoop@midwest.socialEnglish
            9·
            10 months ago

            They’d be losing access to the most critical thing that makes them effective: the US military’s logistics and chain of command. Without that they really are just some dudes with guns and a few fancy toys they won’t be able to keep operational or replace. And they could never leave the state.

            So as long as they aren’t causing too much trouble … just wait them out, then make an example of them in a military court.

      • ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world
        10·
        10 months ago

        1. There is no chance the officers refuse a direct order from the president.

        2. Do you really think the soldiers want to sweat their asses off in the desert all day stringing razor wire?

        3. Are they going to risk jail and losing their benefits?

        • KevonLooney@lemm.ee
          6·
          10 months ago

          There must be a lot of non-Americans commenting here. I’ve been seeing lots of questions like “what if they don’t stand down?” There’s no way that’s happening because there’s very little economic safety net in the US.

          If they lose their benefits and pension, these soldiers’ families are destitute. Texas doesn’t have any money to pay for that. Imagine the Guard as Texas’s older brother. But Joe Biden is Mom about to ground everyone in sight. Why would you risk losing the car keys on Friday night?

    • Maggoty@lemmy.world
      14·
      10 months ago

      The problem with political decisions like that is you’re really hoping the National Guard complies with the President when the governor demands they ignore the President.

      That’s not a gut check anyone wants to try without going through everything else first.

      • Dkarma@lemmy.world
        7·
        10 months ago

        They’ll comply instantly as soon as you shut down their borders. It took 48 hours of the southern border being closed before gw bush opened it back up.
        Commerce is everything.

      • Kitty Jynx@lemmy.world
        2·
        10 months ago

        The instant they become federalized they fall under the Army, for National Guardsmen, and the Air Force, for Air National Guardsmen. If they refuse a direct order from the president they will be charged with disobeying a direct order and will get at minimum an general OTH discharge and any rogue officers would probably face a general court martial and be looking at a significant amount of time in Leavenworth followed by a bad conduct or dishonorable discharge.

        • Maggoty@lemmy.world
          11·
          10 months ago

          Well yeah, that’s the way it’s supposed to work. But in a situation where a significant portion refuse on the Governor’s request they’ll likely just be transferred to a state militia with a promise the state will cover their lost benefits. Any federal attempt to arrest them for desertion will meet the state police and militia guarding the guys.

          In short it’s a real quick way to actually kick off a civil war. That doesn’t mean Biden can’t do it. He just can’t fuck it up if he does.