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If you live in a swing state and are thinking about placing an anti-Biden protest vote, please remember that 90,000 people in Florida voted for Ralph Nader in 2000. Al “An Inconvenient Truth” Gore would have been President back when we could do something meaningful about climate change.
Please don’t do it again.
And since I live in a staunchly blue state I will continue voting third party out of principle!
After the fuel shortages in the 70s, America said Never Again. Never Again will another country be able to bring America to its knees.
Then 2022 happened and Russia rug pulled Germany and Eastern Europe, told them they would freeze over winter if they they didn’t let Russia get their way and conquer their neighbors. Germany and Eastern Europe said no; they said no and they bought their products from where they could, and the primary choices for bulk sourcing were the Middle East and America. One of those choices is not good if you are worried about rug pulls, so here we are.
After the fuel shortages in the 70s, America said Never Again. Never Again will another country be able to bring America to its knees.
They could have said it with renewable energy, but they said it with oil.
The day Reagan took Carter’s solar panels off the White House was the day our planet was doomed.
The day Reagan took Carter’s solar panels off the White House was the day our planet was doomed.
it was solar water heating, but yeah, total dick move. I will say, renewable tech has finally caught up to the demand and we’re all benefitting for it today; the best solar panel you could acquire in 1979 would yield less than 1/4 today’s panels and be much heavier and more expensive - we weren’t in a position for Solar to take any percentage of the requirement. Same with wind power - turbines are 10x larger now, and their massive props took decades to develop to yield today’s massive farms that are capable of powering hundreds of thousands of residences. Geothermal, hydro and other means might have been deployed more, hard to say.
Our planet’s not doomed, it’ll be fine when we’ve destroyed our only biosphere and poisoned / wrecked all the food sources. The planet will keep on trucking just fine. Humanity may be ultimately self defeating, but we’re not dead quite yet. We might just still pull this out. I’m trying, real hard, to stay just slightly optimistic.
The sun transmits a lot more heat energy than light energy, so using it to heat water is actually really smart. Especially if you can run that hot water through your HVAC system and heat a living space.
Solar thermal systems are so simple to build you can do it with a bit of wood, some aluminum cans, a piece of glass, and some black paint. And you get a lot of heat out of something like that with no moving parts.
yup. and critically, it was all available in 79, when this was rolled out. I would love to see a 100% renewable federal energy budget but we literally can’t do it today with our modern tech, 1979 it was a dream. but Carter realized that examples like the white house saving tens of thousands of dollars every month on something as simple as hot water was a win, no matter if the tech was a panacea for our energy needs - the action of doing something.
reagan and conservatives are in the pocket of big industry and big oil, so yeah, no shit they didn’t go for it, chuds.
My dad really loved Carter, and designed and built a passive solar home that he hoped would be the blueprint for whole developments of them.
Then Reagan got elected.
Luckily he’s still got the plans somewhere.
I think Carter was one of the best presidents we’ve ever had in a lot of ways.
Former military, submariner, without an ounce of warmonger in the dude. avoided conflict intelligently. did the best with a shit-sandwich of multiple world crisis landing. genuinely believed in his religion without ever forcing it on others. lived humbly. knew we were building the f117 and it’s existence basically negated a lot of the need for the b-1 (lol bone) (which had a host of other threats and problems dogging it) - and Reagan crucified him for the choice by pandering to the military industrial complex even after he was read-into the situation. Was scientifically literate enough to understand stealth changed the entire landscape of war.
There’s a lot to love, the right just hates him because of bullshit.
Nuclear was (and still is) a viable energy production option, but the greens do not want this carbon-free power source. So, natural gas it is! (Even with renewables, it is still paired with natural gas out of necessity)
Nuclear power is hardly a carbon-free power source. Even if the construction, mining, refining, and transport of the fuel was done with electricity, the concrete for the plant would release a lot of CO2.
It’s less than a fossil fuel, to be sure, but calling it carbon-free assumes you just plop down a reactor and it starts making power, which isn’t the case.
Sure, but all those same problems apply to wind and solar too. It isn’t like the concrete to anchor the wind turbine just appears there. If we are going to call wind carbon-free, nuclear is too.
But, coming back to my point, one actively burns fossil fuels in order to use renewables. They are paired with natural gas plants out of necessity for just base-load power. If one is serious about a carbon-free energy grid, nuclear is the best option out there using today’s technology. We should have been building out nuclear since the 70s energy crisis and we should be building it out today. France did, and it is why Germany is now buying power from them in spades.
Jimmy Carter worked on nuclear power in his Navy days. He could have chosen to build nuclear plants but didn’t, mostly because of his experience with nuclear accidents. I’ll trust Jimmy more than some guy on the Internet.
Which nuclear accidents? Three mile island (which happened in '79 and Carter was elected in '76) to this day has a death toll of zero, as well as injuries. In fact only one death has occurred from the facility, which occurred during decommissioning. Unit 1 (of 2) continued operating until 2019 without issue. The Chernobyl accident didn’t happen until '86.
Here’s a list of nuclear accidents. There’s very few, and most of them did not cause any deaths. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_and_radiation_accidents_and_incidents
Storage of waste is also very safe and easy. It’s overblown, and the biggest issue is regulation that requires them to store it themselves with no better solution created yet. Coal doesn’t have this issue, for example, making it cheaper than it should be. Solar and wind also don’t have this issue with mining waste and other pollutants. This is a cost issue and not an effectiveness of safety issue though, so not really relevant.
Jimmy isn’t an expert in the field (and neither am I), but the experts say it’s safe and reliable. Jimmy is just a guy who was elected president. He did fairly well, and has done a lot of good after too, but I don’t trust his opinion over experts.
We need solar, wind, probably tidal soon, etc, but nuclear is also clean, safe, and more reliable. It should be considered where appropriate. I prefer solar and wind, but they have different capabilities than nuclear and we should recognize that.
Nuclear power has less deaths than even wind by terawatt hour produced. Hell rooftop solar has caused significantly more deaths per terawatt hour produced. The fact you think one of the safest power generation sources is a serious danger is not based in reality and is what I was alluding to when I said that the greens don’t want nuclear, so instead we built out natural gas.
Renewables do not need gas FFS. Batteries, over production, pumped hydro are solutions. There are more
The investments could have been made to get us to where we are now a lot sooner. We chose not to make that investment.
pray tell, what 1980s tech could have swept in, I’m genuinely curious what you know.
Technology doesn’t have an era attached to it. It is whatever is created in its time. More investment means faster advancement of technology. The capabilities of the solar of today don’t have anything inherently “modern” about it. It’s just that it exists today, but could have existed decades ago or decades from now, depending on how quickly technology progressed, which is mostly a factor of how much time/money/effort are invested into it.
see the illusion there is if we had just invested enough directly into solar that we could have gotten to today’s tech faster. but today’s tech is a mishmash of pv, materials development, photolithography and a ton of other processes that took the intervening 40 years to achieve. Some of it could have been accelerated but I honestly can’t see how that would have changed the state we’re in.
Now, changing the narrative in 1979 - that’s a what-if book I’d fucking read. Carter hits Reagan for colluding with Iran and america wakes up to the scientists first warnings - https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/ - https://e360.yale.edu/features/they-knew-how-the-u-s-government-helped-cause-the-climate-crisis - instead of helping big petroleum by subsidizing it to the tune of billions of dollars every year continuing today - we could have taken a turn towards the inevitable change, well we might have saved the ecosystem.
Today it’d take ww2 levels of focus around the world to avert the worst. But changing the narrative back then, oof. That would have been powerful.
Looks like somebody is in need of a bit of democracy, eh?
Watch what we actually do and not what we say. We are producing the most oil. We are driving the burning of the rain forests. America is the problem while we try to blame everyone else.
Logging everything to shit too. Trying to speed run climate change like the fucking idiots we are.
Wait what. More than Middle Eastern countries??
You may be as surprised as I was to learn that the US has always been in the top 2 or 3 countries for oil production
Canada as well, right?
I belive they’re typically the biggest exporters of oil. We tend to get high off of our own supply.
Interesting. I was assured by my very conservative relatives that the oil industry would die if Biden gets re-elected. I’m sure they are totally giving him credit for this. I know I am but not in a positive way.
Republicans are ignorant to this fact but are ready to credit trump with this accomplishment.
Because they will credit Trump with everything they like and Biden with everything they don’t. Facts do not matter to these people and pretend like they do is how you alienate a base and lose elections. No amount of oil production is going to make a Trumper vote Biden, but it will discourage those who bought the ‘most climate friendly president’ line. It’s a lose lose situation that no one wants to reckon with because of the profits the energy sector brings in.
Thanks Obiden
How are your gas prices these days?
I know when they were high (and the rest of the world) a few years back, republicans demanded more oil or something and were kicking off about Biden as usual. So what do they say now?
They vary heavily by region. They’re fine in the northeast floating around $3/gal
Obviously that’s not a product of Biden, it’s from the free market etc etc
America number 1 y’all, yeah.
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thumbnail guy looks like the michelin man trying to cosplay as a human
One of his arms looks way smaller.
I remember hearing T. Boone Pickens always wish for this.
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