What? ALL DRM only punishes paying customers.
Not necessarily. All DRM punishes paying customers, but some also punishes pirates. Very few games with Denuvo ever get cracked, instead the publisher removes it after a while because Denuvo charges a license fee as long as its in your game. E.g. the Hatsune Miku game on steam hasn’t been cracked in the two years it’s been out. So there’s an argument for using it, even if it’s a flawed one.
But these games already went without DRM for years. They’re long since cracked. The only purpose this DRM serves is to make it harder for paying customers to use mods. Not pirates, they can keep using the same mods they’ve always used. This is literally for the purpose of degrading the experience of paying customers. That’s what they mean by “only punishes paying customers”.
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At an absolute minimum, the DRM prevents me from easily making a backup of my legitimate copy, which I am otherwise entitled to do.
So yeah, by definition DRM has a negative impact on paying customers.
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…until the stores decide to stop offering them.
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Can, but might not. Companies are not notorious for spending effort on products they are abandoning. The only reason they do it with Denuvo is that it charges them a subscription for as long as it’s implemented.
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No, that’s where the service provider’s backups are stored. I don’t have the ability to make my own. That’s a huge stretch and very tortured logic. And even if I went for it, by not being able to make backups at my pleasure I’m still being impacted, so… still, by definition, a negative impact on the paying customer that people pirating the same media don’t have. They just Ctrl C Ctrl V that stuff.
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Because it shouldn’t be on me to ask for permission to do stuff with my software that I bought.
Maybe I’m too old, because I remember when I bought a disk and I just copied it and used that. Which is legal, by the way.
Well, alright, I don’t need to remember too far back, because I was ripping some movies today. Which, again, fair game. I paid for them, I get to use them. I shouldn’t have to explain to you, Valve, Netflix or anybody else why I want to back up the thing I bought.
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We’re all waiting for an example
no negative impact on paying customers’.
I think you meant “on the paying customers’ experiences”
At the time of this post both the game and proton had been updated and the game was working again.
Adding DRM to a two year old already cracked game is still an insane decision, but the problem of it breaking the game was fixed relatively quickly.
It’s an long-term decision meant to kill modding. Having to seek a cracked version for modding isn’t a problem for some users, but it’s an imposing thing for users on average. It makes it less likely that your average user will attempt to engage with mods, which reduces the audience for mods, and that in turn makes mod developers less likely to develop them.
It’s about strangling the life out of modding communities slowly.
Which is incredibly stupid since mods prolong the lifetime of a game’s value
The problem is that game companies are no long interested in prolonged lifetime they can’t directly monetize. Who cares that mods add a decade of additional sales if people are modding costumes instead of buying them from the cash shop.
And this sort of attitude is making me wonder if it’s still worth buying from these companies.
Who cares that mods add a decade of additional sales if people are modding costumes instead of buying them from the cash shop.
Indeed, people seem to forget but modern monster hunter sells cosmetics, they have a financial interest to not let you mod the game to change skins.
If the skins they sell are higher quality than the ones available with mods, then people will buy them anyway.
If the mods are making those skins available for free then that’s probably a copyright infringement issue (assuming the assets are only made available once purchased, and that they’re not just available but disabled) that should be handled with a DMCA takedown.
If the mods are making their own content available for free but the mod content is lower quality than the paid skins, then the people who don’t purchase paid skins as a result will be far more limited. The bigger the quality divide, the lower the impact.
If they can’t compete with free cosmetics then that speaks to a lack of quality on their part.
The games that I love the most more than any other are games that have a good modding community. Factorio, skyrim, minecraft, hoi4. It just creates content that the developing company doesn’t have to do and the consumer gets to experience.
I don’t understand why some publishers of singleplayer focused games are against modding.
I understand that it could impact other players experiences in a multi-player setting. And I support any game developer segregating modded clients from vanilla. What I can’t wrap my head around is why some try to ban modding all together. If a player ruins or enhances their experience with mods, it’s on them, not the developers.
IIRC, it’s from a Street Fighter tournament scandal, where one particular player had a nude Chun Li mod installed. The tournament didn’t know about it, the player forgot to disable the mod ahead of the tournament, and nude Chun Li was broadcast to the entire banquet room full of viewers (and everyone streaming online) because they had the game projected on a giant screen.
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I’ve purchased it but haven’t installed it yet… I wonder if I can refund it.
Every DRM punishes paying customers, not only this new thing.
Lmao, this is months after they released a steam deck focused patch for Monster Hunter World that made it run on the deck, World was suddenly being played by several people again, congrats capcom for the fumble.
Digital rights management - who’s rights? Certainly it’s not in my best interest.
Digital restrictions management.
More like digital wrongs management.
This is why I primarily shop at GOG. There are almost no other storefronts left that promote DRM-free games.
But they don’t promote linux platform.
That’s true, they don’t. But they’re at least open enough to allow community efforts on Linux like Heroic.
It’s a missed opportunity.
the beauty of no DRM is that if a game runs fine on wine (and I’m sure most games in GOG will) then you can just install them.
GOG lost my trust with the Hitman situation, and lashing out at customers that were leaving reviews detailing the situation.
https://www.eurogamer.net/hitman-gog-release-sparks-drm-row-review-bombing-accusation
They also sneakily updated the page to mention the DRM after people had bought the game.
There’s an updated article that includes GOG’s follow-up to that situation: https://www.eurogamer.net/gog-pulls-hitman-from-its-own-store-admits-it-shouldnt-have-released-it-in-its-current-form
Dear Community,
Thank you for your patience and for giving us the time to investigate the release of HITMAN GOTY on GOG. As promised, we’re getting back to you with updates.
We’re still in dialogue with IO Interactive about this release. Today we have removed HITMAN GOTY from GOG’s catalog – we shouldn’t have released it in its current form, as you’ve pointed out.
We’d like to apologise for the confusion and anger generated by this situation. We’ve let you down and we’d like to thank you for bringing this topic to us – while it was honest to the bone, it shows how passionate you are towards GOG.
We appreciate your feedback and will continue our efforts to improve our communication with you.
All this because Capcom heard that a Street Fighter tournament participant was using a nude mod for Chun-Li. Just blacklist him and move on, let me keep my flashlight lasers on dropped materials in MH:W please.
I imagine it’s about prevention rather than discipline in their eyes. I’m not defending the idea (who cares if we see chun li naked? There is much worse on the internet) but I don’t think blacklisting the player would assuage their fears of it happening in the future.
No, that’s the actual reason.
While this is awful for a company to do and I’m 100% against drm in games in general I do think the steam deck issue is being overblown. Valve quickly put out a proton update that fixed compatibility on steam deck. The game works fine now.
Only because it’s a game big enough for the relevant people to take notice. A smaller game would just stay broken, due to some suit’s whims. This practice needs to end.
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I feel you, I can’t play unmodded skyrim because the quests and plots are so paper thin I just lose interest after a few hours, but it’s a great sandbox for modders to play around in and I’m enjoying my run as a monk with an entire unarmed perk tree.
I just bought Skyrim, 10 years or so after its initial release. Only because of the 60 000 mods on Nexus. I am playing it now with 400 mods installed and after a bit of configuration I am quite happy with it.
and after a bit of configuration
Ah, so you haven’t actually dived into Skyrim modding yet. /s
The old joke is that once you get into Skyrim modding, you spend more time modding the game than you actually spend playing it. You don’t know frustration until you hit your first “why tf won’t my game launch” brick wall and have to disable mods one at a time to figure out which one is the offender. Even worse if it’s one that requires more complex installation, like animation mods.
OK I lied a bit it is about 50 - 50. But today I will play - just after I have adjusted the enbseries.INI :-)
Maybe people should stop supporting these companies. I know saying it for the 729,631st time won’t change anything, but all I’m gonna say is I don’t have issues with Capcom, EA, Ubisoft, or a few other studios, because us simply 🌠 dont play their games 🌠
I have issues with Ubisoft even if they make shitty games I don’t play. (I’ve played older titles but have since quit supporting or playing the ones I have), since the company is still preying on whales, children and gamers who are less savvy about dark patterns. Ubisoft also still continues a toxic work environment in which the upper management preys sexually on the clerical staff and then works to bury any scandals and silence the victims. And I’d regard that as offensive and bad for the economy even if it was happening in a fissile fuel rod manufacturing company I never personally engaged with.
Ubisoft, and much of the gaming industry generally is really awful across several compound practices. I mean EA and Gearbox have the same kinds of developer abuse climate and they routinely crunch and do massive layoffs even though both practices make their games measurably worse.
That said, Capcom has been a problem for a long time, and I’ve ceased getting or playing capcom games over a decade ago. But I hope it tanks and stops taking money from gamers who don’t know better.
So, I don’t know how to put this, and I don’t this actually isn’t true . Not sure how this blew up, but yeah.
This is why I only play unlicensed Tengen games on my NES. R.B.I. Baseball, Gauntlet, and Pac-Man are really all I need and I like their cartridge shape better anyway.
Damn. This is why my recent steps in Steam, after seeing a good sale is: does it have Denuvo? Do I need to install a separate launcher? Is the discount worth it?..
I still have a PC copy of 2007(?) Sega Rally I can no longer play because the DRM software is no longer supported in Windows.
I still have a PC copy of 2007(?) Sega Rally I can no longer play because the DRM software is no longer supported in Windows.
I’m curious if it would work on Steam Deck using Proton.
So MH Rise is still busted? I figured they would have done something about that far more quickly
Not busted anymore, works now.
