Some other contributing factors that haven’t been mentioned here yet:
They were their own instance for over 3 years before joining federation. That’s 3 years of growth that all the new big instances from rexit didn’t have, so when they joined, they were INSTANTLY one of the loudest voices in the room.
Their original goal for federating was to actively spread their ideology, and they were VERY aggressive and trolly about it (as they are about basically everything, that’s essentially their inside joke). This ended up generating a lot of extra moderation work for instances and communities that have rules against being actively disruptive. There was eventually enough communication between admins and mods across hexbear and other instances that they toned back most of the trolliness, at least outside of their own communities.
Yep, moved to another instance after their defederation and I don’t see much of the trolling as much as before.
My understanding is that it’s not so much a “controversy” as a general dislike. We tend to dislike people who we feel are interpreting every little thing we say, no matter how innocuous, in the worst possible light. We tend to dislike people who hurl insults at us unprovoked, who respond to simple questions with weird pictures of Gargamel and other such content.
And then there’s the existence of communities they have solely for the purpose of harassing other non-hexbear users and brigading communities from instances with the misfortune of federating with them, harassment campaigns which appear to be tolerated, if not encouraged, by certain other instances ending in .ml
While I have some serious political concerns with some of their shared views, I also think I’d have a lot in common with them – a concern for LGBT+ rights, for instance – and for the plight of the working class. Sadly, my experience has led me instead to instantly blocking any hexbear account on sight and disengaging with any of their content. I think other users in the fediverse have had similar such experiences. I’ve seen entire instances attempt to tolerate them, only to find that they’re just inviting piranhas to the goldfish tank, and consequently defederating them.
I think you’re leaving out the elephant in the room: They’re supposed “leftists” who want nothing but to shit on the very people that the left needs to embrace.
They’ve taken the “burn it all down” approach, and would rather just have a genocide of anyone on the right, anyone in the center, and anyone who asks them any questions about their beliefs.
They have zero tolerance for inquisitiveness and regard all interaction thats not leftist snark to be in “bad faith”.
They are more than likely a honeypot disinformation campaign meant to siphon off the most fervent leftist believers and incapacitate them via self-ostricization.
I didn’t leave that out. I don’t agree with these statements you’ve made.
i literally never seen hexbearers do stuff like this.
You haven’t tried to interact with them then.
i go to their instance a lot, never got all those trolls people say are there lurking. they are a bit edgy sure, but are very friendly actually.
They’re not friendly if you start asking about whether or not they actually believe that an armed revolution would succeed.
I do just that every once in a while. Asking questions about their beliefs and stuff. Lemmy is more chill in general and hexbear looks like it is too. The outliers are not that common IME.
Interesting, because that has not been my experience. On Hexbear or Lemmy.ml. Was banned from both. And I call myself a communist! But to them I’m a “lib” because I don’t want to commit genocide.
You will only get anti-hexbear answers because iirc theyve been defederated. Hexbear is a communist instance that has its roots from /r/ChapoTrapHouse. They’re disliked by some beause they’re aggressive and often intentionally inflammatory.
What they’re NOT is alt right trolls in disguise as some idiots claim. Some people just can’t comprehend that there’s any position to the left of neoliberalism.
What they’re NOT is alt right trolls in disguise as some idiots claim.
Kinda not hard to see it like that because a lot of them seems to defend Russia.
Russian trollfarms don’t just target the right.
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I’m sorry, but this is asking for a mental gymnastics meme.
Mental gymnastics: They don’t defend Russia. They just recognize that the US is bad. It’s better to have a counterbalance in geopolitics. They’re still lefties. It just happens that Russia fills that niche. They don’t actually like Putin.
Mental non-gymnastics: They claim to be lefties. They seem to defend Russia. They’re strawmen.
But no, I agree with you that (at least a good deal of) Hexbear is actually left wing. Except there are probably some right wing poser trolls among them, and it’s hard to say how many. There are probbably right wing poser trolls among us too. Hehe among us.
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They’re disliked by some beause they’re aggressive and often intentionally inflammatory.
Yes. This is the only reason I dislike them, to be clear.
What they’re NOT is alt right trolls in disguise
No. This is ridiculous. It’s also ridiculous when people say that Marxism is “just as bad” as Nazis. I’m not Marxist myself, but this is an absurd comparison I’ve seen a lot of people make.
Yeah sure dude, it’s liberals making false-flag accusations, not leftists who can’t believe these asshats want to be on their side.
There’s a bit of “oh noes, commiez!” (red scare), including that stupid “commy = nazy lol lmao haha” strawman, but I don’t think that it tells the whole picture. It’s more about how a lot of them behaves than the political views themselves: proselytism out-of-place, childishness, and specially witch hunting.
I dont like the random proselytizing from them anymore than I do from vegans or Christians or anyone else when it’s forced on me.
Personally, seeing pig that’s crapped itself is an instant block.
Other than that, they seem quick to troll, but have generally been helpful when I’ve asked an honest question.
I think a lot of the opinions on hexbear came from when they first federated. There are the general things like it is a leftist instance, and from what I can tell, they like to shit post. I do recommend lurking for a bit and deciding yourself, they do have their own culture there.
During the initial federation there were a couple of things that lead to their reputation -they have a culture of calling out bad takes, instead of down votes they were comment, so they had a lot of engagement
-with their culture of calling things out, they have a community called the dunk tank, that is usually screenshots of other users with bad takes
-they use a lot of pictures in replies, when first federated these would come out really large, taking up the whole thread. This was unintentional and should be fixed now. A popular one was PPB, which is a picture of pig balls with poop on it, as you can imagine this rubbed some people the wrong way.
They are very harsh against Nazi idealogy and they will dunk on liberal takes, but they are very open and accepting in general other than that. An example of this is I have seen multiple posts from a user who admits he has a drug problem (meth I believe) and in each post I have seen they are treated with respect and as a person, something I don’t see very often.
They also get accused of being China and Russian shills, but I have seen a mix of support and criticism. It just depends on what the topic is.
Form your own opinion, check out some posts, they aren’t the boogeyman some comments say they are.
They aren’t boogie men for sure but they’re mostly a bunch of fuckwits.
i struggle to see how this is the case.
Leftist unity is tenuous at best, but they dial the animosity to 11. Every interaction I’ve had has been a leftist version of the “Die, heretic!” joke.
Having the same experience here too. Not as bad as it was before.
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This completely rational take (de-escalating and saying to form one’s own opinion) got eight downvotes. I only downvote awful opinions, like people apologizing for shitty people. This was not that. Some people are so fucking fragile. Else stupid. Can’t forget that.
I didn’t downvote but “calling out bad takes” is a heck of a generous euphemism for dogmatic ideological browbeating, I can see why people might want to object to that but not want to get into a discussion about it.
Just go to the site and refresh to see new weird taglines at the top every load and you’ll probably get a good idea.
Enforced circlejerk with insufferable style guide, openly dedicated to shitting up other instances. Outright said ‘we’re going to propagandize the shit out of you!’ and were surprised when users elsewhere said ‘how about no.’
Read as much of their transphobia and ableism as you like.
