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It’s weird that it has taken until this year’s cold days for this to pop up. As its always been a concern of mine.
it has been a few years since the last one
I feel like we have had COLD DAYS. But 21 and 22 were wfh for almost everyone who could afford an EV.
What shit like this does too is salt the earth on electric cars so people have an even worse reaction to them, thanks Elon you fuck.
Yup, good luck generating market interest in a Toyota or a Ford or whatever that will charge in the cold.
This is an op I think, partially. There have been a ton of negative stories on EVs— inventory piling up, owners running out of range (like of course you can’t drive your f150 Lightning 600 miles without stopping to charge) etc. not that these aren’t all real issues, but I see a story on it every day which is unusual because there’s other shit happening in the world. Someone is paying a PR firm to plant these stories imo
Libs when their bazingamobiles built with slave labour stop working because the owner of the Bazinga company has his engineers design the cars badly because he wants to cut costs:
I’m surprised how many people expected differently, even people who don’t worship
EDIT: Wait, this is about normal teslas, not the cybertruck?
this isn’t just a tesla problem unfortunately. It’s an outdoor charging problem. in my area there are a good number of on-street electric car chargers but between the chargers not working reliably in the negative temps, the cables on many chargers getting incredibly stiff in the cold, and the rash of clipped cables (not sure if due to theft for the copper wire or done by the operator at out-of-service/broken chargers), it has seemed pretty rough for the EV owners without at home charging
Not it isn’t. This is an issue of shit engineering. Stuff that sits outside needs to work reliably for a large span of temperatures. I have designed outdoor electronics that are significantly less mission critical than chargers and stress test them generally from -40 to 80°C.
If stuff stops working, you need to add heating elements or replace non-cooperative components with military-grade components (which costs more). This is the same reason Texas’ wind generators failed during a snowstorm. They saved away the heating elements and it bit them in the ass. Of course a lot of this Tesla crap is designed in California where people think temperatures below freezing is some kind of insignificant edge case scenario.
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sure, it is a solvable problem, it’s just not a tesla-specific problem
I don’t understand this. The guy I know who has a non-Tesla EV bought it in 2014 or 2015, and despite hitting -25°C in winters sometimes the chargers have never had much of an issue, and despite the range predictably dropping in winter the battery life has held up very well for being a 10 year old vehicle.
does he primarily charge at home or in indoor/covered garages? because that’s 85%+ of EV owners, and it doesn’t have the same issues as fully outdoor public charging stations being used by people who can’t charge at home (such as these chicago tesla owners many of whom probably live in apartments, or the charging stations in my city)
I definitely think the stations should be engineered better for the weather, it shouldn’t just be expected/accepted, especially since my city and chicago both get this cold pretty often. the vehicles seem to hold up to the cold weather okay, at least the chevy, nissan, and even tesla etc that I see here, but the charging stations haven’t been for whatever reason ( I think primarily the cabling, maybe also connectivity to verify the charges/payment), and if you can’t charge and keep using battery trying to stay warm until it’s flat in the negative temps you end up with the situation in the video.
He charges at home mostly, completely outdoors, but only level 2 so that probably makes a difference. Still never had an issue with the public level 3s. I wonder if the Canadian systems are just engineered better for cold.
You’d think they would use chargers that have the cables stay in the car and plug into the charger.
I wonder if there’s a certain form of transportation that works great in the cold 🤔 ❄️ 🚂
: “aha! I told you the ICE is superior in every way!”
: Laughs in doesn’t fucking hydroplaneI mean they are, but this is explicitly a problem with a lack of sufficient weather-proofing on the charging stations that are exclusively outdoors
You would think that they would have a different design for the charging stations that are set up in areas where it drops below freezing - but these are the exact same outdoor chargers that they install in Southern California.
It sounds like the chargers aren’t working properly which is a PITA when you need to charge. That said it’s funny how this makes the news when EVs have the rare malfunction, but the 4-5 ICE vehicles I saw broken down today didn’t make the news.
See also: battery fires, as if gasoline is any less combustible
Nah, but the tactics are different and most states carbrained their way into allowing EVs on the road before making sure the fire department could deal with it properly.
There’s subsidiary points here, like the ever present thing about them being banned from parking garages. Parking garages have fire surpression systems designed with ICE cars which may not work so well against EV cars because the necessary throughput of water just isn’t there, which runs you the risk of turning your parking garage into a lithium fired blast furnace should an EV ever catch fire or get torched. You can pretty much see why in the weighing of cost to change the entire surpression system vs. like 10% revenue loss from EV cars latter end get’s the short stick.
It’s just the same as always I’d argue, a new type of car was rolled out on the streets too early because it has the promise of saving the car and now societally we get to scramble around this bullshit, again, with the added benefit of EV cars enthusiasts seeing some sort of wide spread conspiracy against their climate saving miracle machine
Firemen don’t really have a way to deal with EV fires at the moment, the way that it is dealt with is pulling the car out of the parking garage and letting it burn.
A second thing that makes this problem worse is that property owners have a terrible habit of putting charging stations at the back of parking garages, since they don’t want people to park in those spots without charging, meaning that pulling out the car is often impossible.
It’ll be a rocky road to find some way to deal with this honestly. Opponents to EVs don’t care to solve it and would rather ban them, proponents for EV cars don’t want to realize there is actual problems with EV cars that just aren’t solved yet.
It’s a funny meme that EVs explode, but if you look at the statistics for the USA it goes (from most fires to less): ICE cars, hybrids, then EVs.
In 2020:
- Internal Combustion fires: 199,533
- Hybrid (Partially Electric) fires: 16,051
- Battery Electric: 52
idk what the 2023 stats are but it’s probably similar
Are these proportional to number of registered cars, number of miles driven, or just absolute numbers? I’ve had a hard time finding actually useful data in the past when I’ve tried to look it up.
I think it’s total recorded car fires in the USA, whether it’s only on highways or not idk
Its not really a funny meme, EV car fires are impossible to firefight. As soon as it starts the car is toast, that shit is going to burn and its going to burn hotter than any ICE fire. Its a class D fire so the only real way to extinguish it is smothering with dry powder (sand) and creating a glass vacuum around it which is fine for a bike battery but impractical for car.
Nazimobiles and being foiled by cold weather - name a more iconic duo.
I personally know people who get contracts to set up EV charging stations. They are pickup driving Chuds who literally borrow a license of a guy and none of them have any advance schooling. They hire undocumented to do all the labor.
Americas issue is the entire nation has been hollowed out.
Preconditioning your battery is pragmatic honey. You just wanted to get to where you wanted right away. This is the choices you get. Sorry the real world doesn’t work that way. Maybe you should go back to school and Learn 👏 to 👏 read 👏 a 👏 book.i agree with the title, but i got bad news about IC engines in the cold
e: oh wait lmao it’s the chargers that are broken? never mind these things suck dick through a bendy straw.
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Just do a Coral Gables and it’ll warm that shit right up
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