No, it should stop, I hope the war would stop. But my opinion is my country has no say in the matter, why isn’t one of the middle east governments not taking Israel to the ICJ since they have actual skin in the game, any instability would affect them directly.
why isn’t one of the middle east governments not taking Israel to the ICJ since they have actual skin in the game, any instability would affect them directly.
They’re all either on Iran’s side and therefore don’t have much international influence, or are deep on the Israeli dick.
Wait so no country in the middle east qualifies, I highly doubt Israel and Iran are the two worthwhile players in the middle east.
Neighbouring countries have an obligation, especially if they are in good standing with the country to speak up. I take my country South Africa that failed to speak up in the early 2000’s with Zimbabwe when they were fucking up, we refused to speak up, now I think our government is partially responsible for allowing Zimbabwe to turn into the dictator mess it is in now and has been the last 20-ish years, breadbasket of Africa becoming the failed state it is today
Wait so no country in the middle east qualifies, I highly doubt Israel and Iran are the two worthwhile players in the middle east.
They both are and aren’t. They represent the two axes of the West and the China crew, and with the exception of Iran’s so-called axis of resistance, basically all Middle Eastern chose to shut up and watch, or in some cases be complicit in Israel’s crimes. This is why some heavy regional powers, like say Egypt, aren’t doing anything of note. They were bought by America. To my knowledge the only country where none of what I said apply is Algeria.
Neighbouring countries have an obligation, especially if they are in good standing with the country to speak up.
Yeah they do. I’m not defending Middle Eastern countries, just saying why they’re not speaking up (aka because they’re all deep on the Israeli, and therefore American, dick).
It’s a sad fucking situation, basically everything sounds like a proxy war hiding behind a religious mask.
Thanks for having this conversation with me, really I am starting to feel hopeless regarding this situation. I know nothing I say will change the war but I am really supportive of the war ending and Palestinian people to get their freedom and autonomy. Israel military clearly has a power advantage and can dictate how brutal this war can be, they should have more restraint, otherwise they are just as bad if not worse. I still am of the opinion SA is out of place with the ICJ application, because it is not our fight, I now also realise it wasn’t wrong just in my opinion the incorrect method. But clearly now even if this war ends today there will be hatred for each other on both sides. This hatred will doom one or both sides
basically everything sounds like a proxy war hiding behind a religious mask.
Exactly. I mean the main driver for the conflict is the Israeli desire for Lebensraum (back in the day there was the Palestinians wanting to kick all Jews out of Palestine too, but nobody’s taking that seriously now), but as for who’s supporting who yeah it’s a proxy war.
It’s a pretty bad situation, but it’s not as hopeless as it seems. The “Middle Eastern countries tell Israel to drop their shit” way of ending the conflict isn’t happening without serious regime change in multiple countries, but that doesn’t mean there are no options. Currently the most promising path, which is the one the Palestinian resistance is taking, is “make Israel slowly lose international sympathy and turn itself into a pariah state,” but as you can probably see it’s not pretty.
Oh I forgot: If you haven’t heard of it, look up BDS. They should have a list of things you can boycott or divest (pressure your government to boycott, basically) or otherwise pressure to help the Palestinian cause. It’s not as big as one would hope, but it’s probably the current biggest threat to Israel.
Also I know my government, prepare for a disappointment if you think they will do a credible job. Probably gonna fuck it up, which is why I also feel another country with skin in the game should do it
So… genocide should continue?
No, it should stop, I hope the war would stop. But my opinion is my country has no say in the matter, why isn’t one of the middle east governments not taking Israel to the ICJ since they have actual skin in the game, any instability would affect them directly.
They’re all either on Iran’s side and therefore don’t have much international influence, or are deep on the Israeli dick.
Wait so no country in the middle east qualifies, I highly doubt Israel and Iran are the two worthwhile players in the middle east.
Neighbouring countries have an obligation, especially if they are in good standing with the country to speak up. I take my country South Africa that failed to speak up in the early 2000’s with Zimbabwe when they were fucking up, we refused to speak up, now I think our government is partially responsible for allowing Zimbabwe to turn into the dictator mess it is in now and has been the last 20-ish years, breadbasket of Africa becoming the failed state it is today
They both are and aren’t. They represent the two axes of the West and the China crew, and with the exception of Iran’s so-called axis of resistance, basically all Middle Eastern chose to shut up and watch, or in some cases be complicit in Israel’s crimes. This is why some heavy regional powers, like say Egypt, aren’t doing anything of note. They were bought by America. To my knowledge the only country where none of what I said apply is Algeria.
Yeah they do. I’m not defending Middle Eastern countries, just saying why they’re not speaking up (aka because they’re all deep on the Israeli, and therefore American, dick).
It’s a sad fucking situation, basically everything sounds like a proxy war hiding behind a religious mask.
Thanks for having this conversation with me, really I am starting to feel hopeless regarding this situation. I know nothing I say will change the war but I am really supportive of the war ending and Palestinian people to get their freedom and autonomy. Israel military clearly has a power advantage and can dictate how brutal this war can be, they should have more restraint, otherwise they are just as bad if not worse. I still am of the opinion SA is out of place with the ICJ application, because it is not our fight, I now also realise it wasn’t wrong just in my opinion the incorrect method. But clearly now even if this war ends today there will be hatred for each other on both sides. This hatred will doom one or both sides
Exactly. I mean the main driver for the conflict is the Israeli desire for Lebensraum (back in the day there was the Palestinians wanting to kick all Jews out of Palestine too, but nobody’s taking that seriously now), but as for who’s supporting who yeah it’s a proxy war.
It’s a pretty bad situation, but it’s not as hopeless as it seems. The “Middle Eastern countries tell Israel to drop their shit” way of ending the conflict isn’t happening without serious regime change in multiple countries, but that doesn’t mean there are no options. Currently the most promising path, which is the one the Palestinian resistance is taking, is “make Israel slowly lose international sympathy and turn itself into a pariah state,” but as you can probably see it’s not pretty.
Oh I forgot: If you haven’t heard of it, look up BDS. They should have a list of things you can boycott or divest (pressure your government to boycott, basically) or otherwise pressure to help the Palestinian cause. It’s not as big as one would hope, but it’s probably the current biggest threat to Israel.
Also I know my government, prepare for a disappointment if you think they will do a credible job. Probably gonna fuck it up, which is why I also feel another country with skin in the game should do it