• evranch@lemmy.ca
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    10 months ago

    Why not ask the human lives on the trade vessels?

    If the US Navy wasn’t swatting missiles and drones, hundreds of sailors would be at the bottom of the sea by now.

    Don’t forget environmental damage from spilled fuel and actual oil tankers that would be damaged. You know, like the Russian tanker they accidentally fired on today even though it had even less to do with them than anyone else in the sea.

    Launching missiles at civilian ships is not a “protest”.

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      10 months ago

      can we worry about the environmental damage in palestine too?

      oh the poor crewmembers trying to ignore the known agressive blockade, maybe someone in yemen can go to their rescue oh whoops no they will be leveled by the millions lol.

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        10 months ago

        What if some of those merchant sailors (who are often so poor they can’t even afford to leave port) are Palestinians? Is it okay to kill those Palestinians?

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          10 months ago

          of course not. but its very disingenious to start caring about palestinians when trade routes are disrupted but not when millions of them are getting killed or displaced.

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              10 months ago

              good cause someone is actually doing something about it now…

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                  10 months ago

                  well asking nicely wont stop a genocide will it?

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                    10 months ago

                    And neither will this. In fact this just works against stopping it because it’s helping Israel’s allies sell the whole brown person bad line. It sucks but the proven way to stop a genocide is political pressure on those allies, a BDS movement, and international intervention at the location. Not hundreds of miles away and indiscriminately.

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        10 months ago

        The crew members are there for a wage, and the ships themselves mostly have nothing to do with Israel.

        A huge portion of global trade runs through the area, and it’s not just “trinkets from China” as some like to say. It’s grain, fuel, steel, all of the things that keep the world running in a globalized economy.

        You can’t blockade the entire world and not expect retaliation. If anything, I’m surprised it took this long.

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          10 months ago

          well you cant cause a literal fucking genocide and expect there not to be retaliation. is trade more valuable than humans?

          you know what would solve this immediatly without more deaths? stop the genocide.

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            10 months ago

            As ugly as it sounds? Yes. There are nearly 8 billion humans on a planet with finite resources, globally distributed. The resources, unfortunately, are more valuable than any specific subset of humans at this point.

            Without trade, billions would die. And they won’t be Westerners, they’ll be people who live in places where population exceeds carrying capacity. Namely, the ME and Asia.

            Yemen in particular is highly dependent on foreign aid. By blocking trade the Houthis are not looking out for the people of their country any more than Hamas is looking out for the people of Palestine. In fact they are the reason Yemen is starving. I’m not sure why so many people on Lemmy are professing support for an illegitimate, theocratic revolutionary force.

            “Arab countries and all Islamic countries will not be safe from Jews except through their eradication and the elimination of their entity.” - Al-Houthi

            Yes, the Houthi are real opponents of genocide.

            If the Houthis really feel like they have a dog in the fight, they could declare war on Israel and deploy and fight rather than harassing non-combatants. They’re nothing but terrorists, not combatants - and if the world agrees on one thing it’s that we do not negotiate with terrorists.

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              10 months ago

              boohoo my stuff is taking longer to arrive.

              thats a whole bunch of text to justify stopping a blockade but not stopping a genocide. literal genocide.

              millions dying right now for no reason. stop the genocide and the blockade will stop, so fucking simple.

              in your analysis you forgot the part where the US is funding it, and caused this whole mess in the first place.

              but if youd rather have world war 3 over this wtf can i do.