I can tell you don’t watch CNN or MSNBC because they totally are questioning things and are highly critical of Netanyahu, who is basically Israeli George W Bush. Young people can vote for who they want to vote for, but if they all toss their votes in the trash for a Russian plant like RFK Jr, I will be blaming them for the repercussions of a second Trump term as equally as I would blame his brainwashed cult.
The funny thing is that close to 2/3rds (more on many issues) of Americans actually support the policies that are on the far left (of American politics).
But because we have all been watching corporate media that is literally lying to us, we have been lead to believe that we don’t actually believe what we actually believe.
When you starting breaking down the policies and explain them in simple details, (should we all have healthcare), america is far left when it comes to policies we ALL support.
But ask a Republican if they like “Obamacare” and you will get a completely different answer. This is assuming we are not discussing policy minutiae within Obamacare just Obamacare in general…… and it is pretty much like this across the board….
America is FAR more leftist than the corporate oligarchy would have you believe.
But instead of burning down buildings because of police brutality, low wages, and lack of even the most basic social safety net……
We are arguing over whether rail workers should get one hour of sick time a year….
It’s fucking ludicrous.
And I know y’all don’t like it…. A vote for a Biden is a vote for more of the same corrupt politics, corporate PACS and corporate donations and the revolving door of senators being bribed for their votes and lining their own pockets.
Y’all are arguing about whether a facist will be our leader, but we already live under a corporate oligarchy…
It’s okay, many of them will learn when the fascists turn on empathetic people like them, people like their LGBTQIA+ friends, and an ever more purity-shifting test stupider than a swatch of paint held to their faces.
Because people (maybe some like you?) don’t explain nuance and responsibility to them, just throw blame around and make noises about where all of the fault lays (it’s never also on your–metaphorical you, I hope–laps is it?) and why this agenda is better and would not lead to this or that.
You don’t need to address me if you prefer of course. I don’t actually foresee any useful dialogue here so just yelling at two-faced clouds.
These arguments about lesser of two evils, oh it’s not Biden’s fault he couldn’t do anything, oh (the Republican candidate) is going to bring facism.
People are tired of the same tired rhetoric. They don’t care. They aren’t going to just fall in line because you are shouting at them vote blue no matter who.
And a lot of career politicians don’t understand that the old way of doing things isn’t going to work anymore. It’s a slow change and yea hopefully we can claw back democracy from the corporate oligarchy, but I personally don’t have much faith. I probably will not vote for Biden but I do live in a pretty solid blue state in an extremely blue county, so i can leave President option blank without much recourse.
Sounds about right. I expect very little of the far left anarchists and they still somehow disappoint. Have fun torching your own communities after you willingly enable Trump back in power
They quite literally don’t exist in the United States. Fox addled brain rot right wing media consumers are told that someone like Obama was a communist… Hell someone as “progressive” as AOC isn’t even radical and yet the right will tell you she’s a female Mao.
We get milquetoast centrists masquerading as being on the left, while the right gets to have their actual racist Nazi leaders… No wonder they question why we aren’t as hyped for Biden as they are for Mango Mussolini…
Because not many Americans want that? I don’t know how many times it has to be demonstrated. You won’t settle for a moderate candidate like Biden who will slowly push the country away from how unbelievably far right it’s gotten. You want to flip the system upside down and that’s not viable right now. Move the needle slowly but surely, or try to change everything and continue to fail.
Not many Americans want that because we’ve had decades of propaganda telling us how radical the left is already and scaring everyone to move to the right. That’s why the right has gone so far right and we get pulled to the middle more and more so we can calm the scared people of spooky spooky socialist policies… If we continue we’re literally never going to have actual leftists in government. As it is the entire world sees our political system as 2 conservative parties fighting for control.
And I totally agree with you but I don’t think the Democrat Party is all conservatives. Some are, for sure. But not all of them are Brandon Presley and Joe Manchin. It’s a liberal party, which aligns with the conservatives on several things but vastly differs on much more.
Liberalism in America has been hijacked by white collar criminals ever since Reagan fucked the country up. I agree that we need more socialism in America, but I don’t see how we’re gonna leap directly to it. What we can do is form a coalition to continue defeating the conservatives so we at least aren’t on track for extinction because of climate change. And before you say “Biden’s America is producing more domestic oil than any administration before” I would remind that if he didn’t, he would absolutely lose the upcoming election. When half the country is as conservative as it is, we’re not gonna see the change we want by electing a President who will have limited support in Congress. Getting people like Biden who at least pull the needle closer towards the middle is how it happens.
And then, maybe after a decade or so more Americans will realize they’ve been lied to by Gingrich, Trump, Rove, Bush, McConnell, and all the others who have set this country so far back.
Just my opinion. I don’t know if America can get to where you want it to be in our lifetime after 4 more years of Trump.
I pretty much agree with all of that minus the optimism lol
If Republicans haven’t learned over the past 30+ years that they’ve been lied to again and again I don’t see it happening any time soon as we have propaganda outlets designed to “keep the voters in line.” They’re really our biggest problem, everything we can’t solve is because propagandists pit us against each other and mislead everyone.
My optimism comes from the fact that old people don’t live forever, and they’re reeeally against traditional medicine all of a sudden so I don’t see the boomers propping up right wing psychos forever
Biden isn’t pushing the country away from being far-right, he just isn’t nose-diving into it. The US needs radical change. Everything you’ve said is just buzzword nonsense.
I don’t give a fuck about the average crayon eating over-medicated american removed. Half the country thinks climate change is a joke and Raptor Jesus will save us.
Alright well unfortunately those people vote, so we can say we don’t care, but we can’t say that reality doesn’t affect the current situation we’re in politically. You can absolutely change their minds. So why not start with people like Andy Beshear who has already started doing this instead of someone who is too extreme for them and will only alienate more people?
I think it’s around the time israel murdered the hostages in cold blood that the likes of MSNBC was like “Wait a minute… maybe israel isn’t telling the truth when they say everyone killed is a Hamas soldier?”
Yup, thousands of murdered brown children were fine for MSNBC, but three young Jews getting murdered while trying to surrender to their own military is where the moral outrage starts. It’s pathetically transparent why they suddenly saw this as problematic.
How is he a Russian plant? He’s related to one of the most influential political dynasties in America. During the Obama years he was the left’s sweetheart when he was championing for the environment. Even going so far as calling for Exxon Mobil and Koch Industries to be put to ‘corporate death’.
Biden and Trump love Exxon and sucking Koch. Maybe you should blame yourself for trusting soundbites.
He doesn’t support genocide. There has to be a military reaction to the Hamas terrorist attack. The big issue is Netanyahu who doesn’t care who dies as long as Hamas is defeated. Biden’s team is critical of the civilian toll but they’re not going to force Israel at gunpoint to not go after the terrorists that raped and maimed over a thousand Jews on October 7th.
So why are they forcing at gunpoint Palestinians not to go after the terrorists who so far after October 7th killed 3k childrens?
The us government and whoever is in charge for it support both genocide and Hamas as they are using it as a warrant for israel to expand their borders. Do you really believe they are unaware of the fact that indiscriminate bombing of gaza will bread even more terrorist? They are bombing thousand of childrens, they don’t care about their own either, politicians and billionares do not fight their wars and neither care about anyone below them.
I can tell you don’t watch CNN or MSNBC because they totally are questioning things and are highly critical of Netanyahu, who is basically Israeli George W Bush. Young people can vote for who they want to vote for, but if they all toss their votes in the trash for a Russian plant like RFK Jr, I will be blaming them for the repercussions of a second Trump term as equally as I would blame his brainwashed cult.
They don’t care who you blame.
They also know that the blame will come with any loss, no matter how they vote.
The funny thing is that close to 2/3rds (more on many issues) of Americans actually support the policies that are on the far left (of American politics).
But because we have all been watching corporate media that is literally lying to us, we have been lead to believe that we don’t actually believe what we actually believe.
When you starting breaking down the policies and explain them in simple details, (should we all have healthcare), america is far left when it comes to policies we ALL support.
But ask a Republican if they like “Obamacare” and you will get a completely different answer. This is assuming we are not discussing policy minutiae within Obamacare just Obamacare in general…… and it is pretty much like this across the board….
America is FAR more leftist than the corporate oligarchy would have you believe.
But instead of burning down buildings because of police brutality, low wages, and lack of even the most basic social safety net……
We are arguing over whether rail workers should get one hour of sick time a year….
It’s fucking ludicrous.
And I know y’all don’t like it…. A vote for a Biden is a vote for more of the same corrupt politics, corporate PACS and corporate donations and the revolving door of senators being bribed for their votes and lining their own pockets.
Y’all are arguing about whether a facist will be our leader, but we already live under a corporate oligarchy…
It’s okay, many of them will learn when the fascists turn on empathetic people like them, people like their LGBTQIA+ friends, and an ever more purity-shifting test stupider than a swatch of paint held to their faces.
Because people (maybe some like you?) don’t explain nuance and responsibility to them, just throw blame around and make noises about where all of the fault lays (it’s never also on your–metaphorical you, I hope–laps is it?) and why this agenda is better and would not lead to this or that.
You don’t need to address me if you prefer of course. I don’t actually foresee any useful dialogue here so just yelling at two-faced clouds.
Happy new year…. Not avoiding anyone but yea,
These arguments about lesser of two evils, oh it’s not Biden’s fault he couldn’t do anything, oh (the Republican candidate) is going to bring facism.
People are tired of the same tired rhetoric. They don’t care. They aren’t going to just fall in line because you are shouting at them vote blue no matter who.
And a lot of career politicians don’t understand that the old way of doing things isn’t going to work anymore. It’s a slow change and yea hopefully we can claw back democracy from the corporate oligarchy, but I personally don’t have much faith. I probably will not vote for Biden but I do live in a pretty solid blue state in an extremely blue county, so i can leave President option blank without much recourse.
Sounds about right. I expect very little of the far left anarchists and they still somehow disappoint. Have fun torching your own communities after you willingly enable Trump back in power
It’s not my fault both Biden and Trump suck. You know what will excite the far left? How about a far left candidate?
They quite literally don’t exist in the United States. Fox addled brain rot right wing media consumers are told that someone like Obama was a communist… Hell someone as “progressive” as AOC isn’t even radical and yet the right will tell you she’s a female Mao.
We get milquetoast centrists masquerading as being on the left, while the right gets to have their actual racist Nazi leaders… No wonder they question why we aren’t as hyped for Biden as they are for Mango Mussolini…
Because not many Americans want that? I don’t know how many times it has to be demonstrated. You won’t settle for a moderate candidate like Biden who will slowly push the country away from how unbelievably far right it’s gotten. You want to flip the system upside down and that’s not viable right now. Move the needle slowly but surely, or try to change everything and continue to fail.
Not many Americans want that because we’ve had decades of propaganda telling us how radical the left is already and scaring everyone to move to the right. That’s why the right has gone so far right and we get pulled to the middle more and more so we can calm the scared people of spooky spooky socialist policies… If we continue we’re literally never going to have actual leftists in government. As it is the entire world sees our political system as 2 conservative parties fighting for control.
And I totally agree with you but I don’t think the Democrat Party is all conservatives. Some are, for sure. But not all of them are Brandon Presley and Joe Manchin. It’s a liberal party, which aligns with the conservatives on several things but vastly differs on much more.
Liberalism in America has been hijacked by white collar criminals ever since Reagan fucked the country up. I agree that we need more socialism in America, but I don’t see how we’re gonna leap directly to it. What we can do is form a coalition to continue defeating the conservatives so we at least aren’t on track for extinction because of climate change. And before you say “Biden’s America is producing more domestic oil than any administration before” I would remind that if he didn’t, he would absolutely lose the upcoming election. When half the country is as conservative as it is, we’re not gonna see the change we want by electing a President who will have limited support in Congress. Getting people like Biden who at least pull the needle closer towards the middle is how it happens.
And then, maybe after a decade or so more Americans will realize they’ve been lied to by Gingrich, Trump, Rove, Bush, McConnell, and all the others who have set this country so far back.
Just my opinion. I don’t know if America can get to where you want it to be in our lifetime after 4 more years of Trump.
I pretty much agree with all of that minus the optimism lol
If Republicans haven’t learned over the past 30+ years that they’ve been lied to again and again I don’t see it happening any time soon as we have propaganda outlets designed to “keep the voters in line.” They’re really our biggest problem, everything we can’t solve is because propagandists pit us against each other and mislead everyone.
My optimism comes from the fact that old people don’t live forever, and they’re reeeally against traditional medicine all of a sudden so I don’t see the boomers propping up right wing psychos forever
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Biden isn’t pushing the country away from being far-right, he just isn’t nose-diving into it. The US needs radical change. Everything you’ve said is just buzzword nonsense.
I don’t give a fuck about the average crayon eating over-medicated american removed. Half the country thinks climate change is a joke and Raptor Jesus will save us.
Who, Gives, A, Fuck?
Alright well unfortunately those people vote, so we can say we don’t care, but we can’t say that reality doesn’t affect the current situation we’re in politically. You can absolutely change their minds. So why not start with people like Andy Beshear who has already started doing this instead of someone who is too extreme for them and will only alienate more people?
I do watch MSNBC on occasion. They slobbed Israels knob clear up until they killed like 13,000 people. That was apparently the line.
I think it’s around the time israel murdered the hostages in cold blood that the likes of MSNBC was like “Wait a minute… maybe israel isn’t telling the truth when they say everyone killed is a Hamas soldier?”
Yup, thousands of murdered brown children were fine for MSNBC, but three young Jews getting murdered while trying to surrender to their own military is where the moral outrage starts. It’s pathetically transparent why they suddenly saw this as problematic.
How is he a Russian plant? He’s related to one of the most influential political dynasties in America. During the Obama years he was the left’s sweetheart when he was championing for the environment. Even going so far as calling for Exxon Mobil and Koch Industries to be put to ‘corporate death’.
Biden and Trump love Exxon and sucking Koch. Maybe you should blame yourself for trusting soundbites.
A vote for a fascist and a vote for a genocide supporter are both tossed in the trash. A vote for someone else is not.
Yeah… that’s not how it’s going to work. You should probably look into this before you take part in fucking things up.
He doesn’t support genocide. There has to be a military reaction to the Hamas terrorist attack. The big issue is Netanyahu who doesn’t care who dies as long as Hamas is defeated. Biden’s team is critical of the civilian toll but they’re not going to force Israel at gunpoint to not go after the terrorists that raped and maimed over a thousand Jews on October 7th.
So why are they forcing at gunpoint Palestinians not to go after the terrorists who so far after October 7th killed 3k childrens?
The us government and whoever is in charge for it support both genocide and Hamas as they are using it as a warrant for israel to expand their borders. Do you really believe they are unaware of the fact that indiscriminate bombing of gaza will bread even more terrorist? They are bombing thousand of childrens, they don’t care about their own either, politicians and billionares do not fight their wars and neither care about anyone below them.
You know what they say, “an eye for an eye is the best policy for peace.”
“Violence begets peace.”
… something like that.