Manchin and Sinema played their assigned roles as rotating villains. And if a rotating villain can’t be summoned, there’s always the Senate parliamentarian. And if not that, then there’s always splitting the bill, as was done for the impending rail strike last year.
The Democrats punk us over & over. Both parties work for the capitalist class and against the working class.
So you like bootlicking and when people spit in your mouth. Because that’s what the dems basically do when you ask for anything meaningful. Don’t reward shitty politicians and parties with your vote.
Does the phrase “out of the frying pan and into the fire” mean anything to you?
I hate the Dems and Biden not being progressive enough, but I’m not going to vote for Hitler/Nazis reincarnated just to “spite biden” like you seem to want to do.
And TBH the current administration has spent the last four years dealing with a half a Congress and over half a SCOTUS, that only had one goal, stop anything Biden/Dems tried to actually do. So it isn’t surprising they haven’t done much.
I’m not voting for trump either. That’s the beauty of American democracy I can vote for whoever I want. Be it Jill Stein, RFK JR, or Cornell west. You don’t just get a vote by saying look I’m not that guy. That’s fucking pathetic and makes a joke of our democracy anyway.
So you think voting for dead in the water candidates is more effective than going for the most likely to win. Congrats removed youre playing into the fascists hands, youll be the smuggest asshole in the concentration camp.
And before you go on about morals and voting your conscience, I dont care. Victory isnt claimed by the most moral side, victory is claimed by the asshole who has tge most men, the most guns, and cares not for honor. And in this current scenario where we stand apon the prescipes leading to fascism our victory can only be won through pragmatism.
And to reinforce my point, how well did moralistic bullshit work out for the german socdems, socialists, and communists when the nazis came to power? Fun fact to of the largest parties in Weimar Germany were communists who refused to coalition with eachother.
I’m still voting for Democrats down the ballot in November
So you like bootlicking and when people spit in your mouth.
Statements like these are a testament to how much american culture has deteriorated. The hatred and lack of thought with which both sides talk to each other.
When we analyze it, we first encounter a projection (“so you <something they did not say>”), followed by profanity. The factual content is zero or false. It’s a purely rhetoric figure, constructed from fallacies (like a strawman), made to be ugly, to poison the conversation.
Sorry for being harsh, nothing personal. I believe you wrote what you said because you care about the outcome, and your country. I tried to point out how I think this specific tone might be counterproductive for these intents.
The rotating villain thing gets way too much credit. When the Republicans have control, it’s something like 56/44. When the Dems have “control”, it requires the vice president to break the tie.
Manchin is the best thing you’re going to get out of fucking West Virginia any time soon. It’s time to stop counting on him as the 50th vote.
Sinema is different, and should absolutely go fuck herself. But she’s just a regular, actual villain, not some rotating conspiracy.
Meeting a democrat in West Virginia is like finding a dodo bird in the wild.
Well, more accurately, it’s like finding a truffle.
I mean, they’re there. They defiantly don’t take their politics out to town with them though. In some places it can even be dangerous. No way I’d put a sticker on my car that’s for sure.
Had a dude put a Trump sticker on my bumper once though. I was surprised when I kept suddenly getting “hell yeah buddy” everywhere I went haha. Peeled that off real quick.
Even my gen-x peers who lived through that shift don’t understand that it’s not the W. Virginians who abandoned the Democrats, but the Democrats who abandoned the W. Virginians. Instead my peers label them ungrateful deplorables.
The rotating villain thing gets way too much credit. When the Republicans have control, it’s something like 56/44.
Why do you think the Democrats and Republicans keep the Senate 60% supermajority filibuster rule in place, when usually neither party has a supermajority of seats? It’s because both parties intentionally hamstring themselves. It’s Long Past Time to Abolish the Filibuster
You think they get together and decide who pretends to have beliefs that happen to fuck the whole party? This sounds like absolute bullshit from a BoTh SiDeS-er.
I don’t think they need to. For the most part, it’s just convenient for the majority to not get anything done and it’s campaign material for Manchin to betray the party. I think that by and large, it’s a symbiotic relationship where both sides get what they want.
There doesn’t have to be a conspiracy for this behavior to occur organically. Both parties represent different factions of the bourgeoisie, and different factions want different things but are united in interests common to being bourgeoisie.
I think it does happen once in a blue moon. Congress is more educated on their votes than the general public, and sometimes all the information isn’t public. Once in a while they feel they’re going to need to make a vote that isn’t popular with their base, and might actually do the rotating villain thing. But that’s also going to take into account how strong/weak they are in their districts, and would never be Manchin or Sinema.
We might even see this more in the near future, where Congress is being briefed by experts, the military, the FBI, and the CIA while the general public is being briefed by AI-powered social media propaganda campaigns.
Of course people like to blame the “rotating villain” every single time the party does something they disagree with, because obviously the user’s opinion must be the majority opinion.
I dont think the source of disagreement is being more educated, the source of disagreement is that they vote for their and their buddy’s interests and not the interests of most people.
Americans are too busy trying to decide if they want to elect an orange king or keep the democratic experiment going a little longer to worry about small things like wealth distribution.
People are easily manipulated. A smart electorate is a very hard thing to sustain.
People are not easy to manipulate. The amount of ads required for political work are immense, what are you talking about? It would be easy enough to prevent manipulation of the public if the US wasn’t so dogmatically free speech when it comes to right wing speech.
Manchin and Sinema played their assigned roles as rotating villains. And if a rotating villain can’t be summoned, there’s always the Senate parliamentarian. And if not that, then there’s always splitting the bill, as was done for the impending rail strike last year.
The Democrats punk us over & over.
Both parties work for the capitalist class and against the working class.
Ok cool I’m still voting for Democrats down the ballot in November
So you like bootlicking and when people spit in your mouth. Because that’s what the dems basically do when you ask for anything meaningful. Don’t reward shitty politicians and parties with your vote.
Does the phrase “out of the frying pan and into the fire” mean anything to you?
I hate the Dems and Biden not being progressive enough, but I’m not going to vote for Hitler/Nazis reincarnated just to “spite biden” like you seem to want to do.
And TBH the current administration has spent the last four years dealing with a half a Congress and over half a SCOTUS, that only had one goal, stop anything Biden/Dems tried to actually do. So it isn’t surprising they haven’t done much.
I’m not voting for trump either. That’s the beauty of American democracy I can vote for whoever I want. Be it Jill Stein, RFK JR, or Cornell west. You don’t just get a vote by saying look I’m not that guy. That’s fucking pathetic and makes a joke of our democracy anyway.
So you think voting for dead in the water candidates is more effective than going for the most likely to win. Congrats removed youre playing into the fascists hands, youll be the smuggest asshole in the concentration camp.
And before you go on about morals and voting your conscience, I dont care. Victory isnt claimed by the most moral side, victory is claimed by the asshole who has tge most men, the most guns, and cares not for honor. And in this current scenario where we stand apon the prescipes leading to fascism our victory can only be won through pragmatism.
And to reinforce my point, how well did moralistic bullshit work out for the german socdems, socialists, and communists when the nazis came to power? Fun fact to of the largest parties in Weimar Germany were communists who refused to coalition with eachother.
Statements like these are a testament to how much american culture has deteriorated. The hatred and lack of thought with which both sides talk to each other.
When we analyze it, we first encounter a projection (“so you <something they did not say>”), followed by profanity. The factual content is zero or false. It’s a purely rhetoric figure, constructed from fallacies (like a strawman), made to be ugly, to poison the conversation.
Sorry for being harsh, nothing personal. I believe you wrote what you said because you care about the outcome, and your country. I tried to point out how I think this specific tone might be counterproductive for these intents.
The rotating villain thing gets way too much credit. When the Republicans have control, it’s something like 56/44. When the Dems have “control”, it requires the vice president to break the tie.
Manchin is the best thing you’re going to get out of fucking West Virginia any time soon. It’s time to stop counting on him as the 50th vote.
Sinema is different, and should absolutely go fuck herself. But she’s just a regular, actual villain, not some rotating conspiracy.
Meeting a democrat in West Virginia is like finding a dodo bird in the wild.
Well, more accurately, it’s like finding a truffle.
I mean, they’re there. They defiantly don’t take their politics out to town with them though. In some places it can even be dangerous. No way I’d put a sticker on my car that’s for sure.
Had a dude put a Trump sticker on my bumper once though. I was surprised when I kept suddenly getting “hell yeah buddy” everywhere I went haha. Peeled that off real quick.
West Virginia used to be blue back when the democrats would give a fig leaf to organized labor
Even my gen-x peers who lived through that shift don’t understand that it’s not the W. Virginians who abandoned the Democrats, but the Democrats who abandoned the W. Virginians. Instead my peers label them ungrateful deplorables.
Why do you think the Democrats and Republicans keep the Senate 60% supermajority filibuster rule in place, when usually neither party has a supermajority of seats? It’s because both parties intentionally hamstring themselves. It’s Long Past Time to Abolish the Filibuster
You think they get together and decide who pretends to have beliefs that happen to fuck the whole party? This sounds like absolute bullshit from a BoTh SiDeS-er.
I don’t think they need to. For the most part, it’s just convenient for the majority to not get anything done and it’s campaign material for Manchin to betray the party. I think that by and large, it’s a symbiotic relationship where both sides get what they want.
There doesn’t have to be a conspiracy for this behavior to occur organically. Both parties represent different factions of the bourgeoisie, and different factions want different things but are united in interests common to being bourgeoisie.
I think it does happen once in a blue moon. Congress is more educated on their votes than the general public, and sometimes all the information isn’t public. Once in a while they feel they’re going to need to make a vote that isn’t popular with their base, and might actually do the rotating villain thing. But that’s also going to take into account how strong/weak they are in their districts, and would never be Manchin or Sinema.
We might even see this more in the near future, where Congress is being briefed by experts, the military, the FBI, and the CIA while the general public is being briefed by AI-powered social media propaganda campaigns.
Of course people like to blame the “rotating villain” every single time the party does something they disagree with, because obviously the user’s opinion must be the majority opinion.
I dont think the source of disagreement is being more educated, the source of disagreement is that they vote for their and their buddy’s interests and not the interests of most people.
You really think no back room deals ever take place in congress?
Never said that. I think this is way bigger in scope than a “back room deal”
Right and neither did the person you replied to say what you implied they said. You set up a strawman and really knocked the crap out of it, great job
Akshually
typical liberal argument
You are rude. I think this was actually a simple misunderstanding but I have no desire to interact with you now. Bye.
Americans are too busy trying to decide if they want to elect an orange king or keep the democratic experiment going a little longer to worry about small things like wealth distribution.
People are easily manipulated. A smart electorate is a very hard thing to sustain.
People are not easy to manipulate. The amount of ads required for political work are immense, what are you talking about? It would be easy enough to prevent manipulation of the public if the US wasn’t so dogmatically free speech when it comes to right wing speech.
Owning 10% of Charlie Brown is like owning 10% of nothing