"As the president of the United States, you have power to change the course of history, and the responsibility to save lives right now," the staffers wrote.

“As the president of the United States, you have power to change the course of history, and the responsibility to save lives right now,” the staffers wrote.

  • ikiruEnglish
    23·
    7 months ago

    Whataboutism.

    the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by … raising a different issue.

    Who raised the issue of Trump or the Republican Party when I discussed Biden?

    We live in a democracy with a two party system.

    Do you still feel it is a democracy worth defending by approving genocide when the choice is a fascist-enabler and a fascist?

    No Trump would be worse. He was the one who moved our embassy to Israel. He is the one who is going to destabilize the situation further. Half of the Democratic party wants a ceasefire. Republicans want unconditional support for Israel. Have you ever watched or read fox news? The difference between the parties becomes quite clear, very quickly.

    Whataboutism. It’s obnoxious when it isn’t being used against your opponents, right?

    You can’t guilt someone into enabling fascists. It doesn’t work. Think about all the people the Republicans are going to get killed. It’s not equivalent.

    I haven’t supported any fascists. The Democratic Party, on the other hand, was the one who guilted you into enabling fascists. Netanyahu has gone mask-off fascist and the Democratic Party guilted you and others into voting for Biden who has been enabling Netanyahu for decades, and continues to do so now. How many people have to be murdered for you to stop supporting Biden? Do you feel any guilt or shame for voting to empower Biden who shipped weapons and sent money to Israel to bomb children and their families?

    • ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      31·
      7 months ago

      Who raised the issue of Trump or the Republican Party when I discussed Biden?

      Multiple people did. It’s not whataboutism if the issues are linked. Which they are.

      Do you still feel it is a democracy worth defending by approving genocide when the choice is a fascist-enabler and a fascist?

      This statement is not based in reality. Trump is a fascist and fascist enabler. Biden is not.

      Whataboutism. It’s obnoxious when it isn’t being used against your opponents, right?

      It’s not a whataboutism if the issues are linked. Which they are.

      I haven’t supported any fascists. The Democratic Party, on the other hand, was the one who guilted you into enabling fascists. Netanyahu has gone mask-off fascist and the Democratic Party guilted you and others into voting for Biden who has been enabling Netanyahu for decades, and continues to do so now. How many people have to be murdered for you to stop supporting Biden? Do you feel any guilt or shame for voting to empower Biden who shipped weapons and sent money to Israel to bomb children and their families?

      It’s a two party system. Republicans win with low voter turn out. By not voting for Biden you are helping Trump. It’s just math. You can’t guilt people into supporting a fascist like Trump.

      • ikiruEnglish
        22·
        7 months ago

        Trump is a fascist and fascist enabler. Biden is not.

        You’re delusional if you are not even willing to admit to yourself you voted for a fascist enabler because you wanted to feel safer.

        It’s a two party system. Republicans win with low voter turn out. By not voting for Biden you are helping Trump. It’s just math. You can’t guilt people into supporting a fascist like Trump.

        That’s a functional democracy worth defending at the cost of supporting genocide to you?

        • ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          3·
          7 months ago

          You’re delusional if you are not even willing to admit to yourself you voted for a fascist enabler because you wanted to feel safer.

          I mean, I do feel safer. You should too. I voted for Biden to stop the fascist take over. I didn’t fully realize how much of a danger it was until Jan 6th. But it’s become crystal clear to me since.

          That’s a functional democracy worth defending at the cost of supporting genocide to you?

          A democracy that is against genocide is better than a fascist dictatorship that actively pursues genocide at home and abroad. How is that even a question?

          • ikiruEnglish
            1·
            7 months ago

            I mean, I do feel safer. You should too. I voted for Biden to stop the fascist take over. I didn’t fully realize how much of a danger it was until Jan 6th. But it’s become crystal clear to me since.

            I don’t feel safer because I’ve seen the slide towards fascism way before Trump and I know it will continue towards fascism because this slide includes the support and enabling of Democrats. There is no getting off this train by just electing Biden or the next assless Democrat who will just watch as fascists consolidate power.

            A democracy that is against genocide is better than a fascist dictatorship that actively pursues genocide at home and abroad. How is that even a question?

            It’s really telling to me you still consider this a democracy that is against genocide. The President is literally funding and arming a genocide that is happening right now. And when the choice is between a President who supports genocide or a President who supports worse genocide, how is that not already a dictatorship? How is that a functioning democracy? That is why it is even a question.

            • ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
              1·
              7 months ago

              I don’t feel safer because I’ve seen the slide towards fascism way before Trump and I know it will continue towards fascism because this slide includes the support and enabling of Democrats. There is no getting off this train by just electing Biden or the next assless Democrat who will just watch as fascists consolidate power.

              Our decent into fascism started with Regan. Although it can be argued Republicans were trying even earlier with Nixon, they just screwed it up.

              Democrats are controlled by neoliberals. But they are the most progress option we have and their party includes most of the progressive politicians that we have. Older politicians are finally aging out. Given enough time Democrats could be become a true progressive party and an effective deterrent against fascism. In the mean time, they are the only alternative.

              I want the Democratic party to be more progressive, but I know voting for them is only way to stop a fascist takeover from happening.

              It’s really telling to me you still consider this a democracy that is against genocide. The President is literally funding and arming a genocide that is happening right now. And when the choice is between a President who supports genocide or a President who supports worse genocide, how is that not already a dictatorship? How is that a functioning democracy? That is why it is even a question.

              Biden supports Israel’s right to defend itself, not genocide. Netanyahu and his government chose to commit war crimes, not Biden. Biden has of course gotten this issue wrong. He should be demanding a ceasefire, among other things. Hopefully given enough pressure Biden will change his stance.

              What’s been weird about this argument is the commitment to equivocating two individuals who could not be more different. Biden is a neoliberal. Trump is a fascist. Everyone can spot the difference. No one can be fooled by such a thinly veiled deception unless they choose to be. Why are you letting yourself be fooled? The people who want our country to descend into fascism don’t have our best interests at heart. Why go so willingly to our deaths at the hands of the Republicans? The Palestinians won’t be better off with America as a fascist dictatorship. The only way to help the Palestinians, ourselves, or anyone else is with a democracy. Do you just want to guilt trip me or do you think it will somehow get better if we lose our democracy? edit: typo