"As the president of the United States, you have power to change the course of history, and the responsibility to save lives right now," the staffers wrote.

“As the president of the United States, you have power to change the course of history, and the responsibility to save lives right now,” the staffers wrote.

  • ikiruEnglish
    24·
    7 months ago

    How could it be worse than genocide for Palestinians?

    • ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      41·
      7 months ago

      Israel could genocide all 2.2 million people living in the Gaza Strip, all 3 million people living in the West Bank, the 1.6 million Palestinian people who live in Israel, the 5.5 million people living in Lebanon and get into a massive conflict in the Middle East where they end up using nuclear weapons.

      Oh, and Trump could deport the 225 thousand Palestinian people living in the United States so Israel can genocide them too. Or just do it here in America. The Republicans will almost certainly streamline the death penalty and turn America’s mass incarceration system into death camps.

      • ikiruEnglish
        26·
        7 months ago

        More whataboutism. Trump isn’t the President overseeing and providing cover for the genocide right now and Biden hasn’t helped in undoing neither the inhumane incarceration system nor the camps (‘migrant detention centers’) already underway in the US.

        But I asked you what could be worse than genocide, and you responded by saying genocide. So, nothing can be worse than genocide? Great, then we are well on our way.

        Even if it isn’t completed now, Biden has been more than helpful to the far Right colonizers in Israel by enabling this and setting precedent for whenever they wish to continue. Democrat or Republican, it doesn’t matter, Israel has validity now to continue genocide. And Democrat or Republican, it doesn’t matter, voters like you have spoken—support is unconditional, let genocide continue.

        Where do you draw your line? How many murdered Palestinian families do you find acceptable?

        • ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          51·
          7 months ago

          More whataboutism. Trump isn’t the President overseeing and providing cover for the genocide right now and Biden hasn’t helped in undoing neither the inhumane incarceration system nor the camps (‘migrant detention centers’) already underway in the US.

          I have already refuted this argument so I’m just going to copy and paste my earlier response.

          Whataboutism.

          the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation or raising a different issue.

          The choice to vote for Biden is linked to the choice to vote against Trump. They can not be separated from one another. To do so is to be disingenuous. We live in a democracy with a two party system. The Republican party is disproportionally represented by our electoral system and win with low voter turn out.

          Since we can not separate the choice of voting for Biden and rejecting Trump, it is justified to bring up what Trump and the Republicans would do. If we want any chance of the US demanding a ceasefire then we need to reject the Republican party who will blindly support Israeli no mater what.

          But I asked you what could be worse than genocide, and you responded by saying genocide. So, nothing can be worse than genocide? Great, then we are well on our way.

          The collective punishment we are seeing now is the start of genocide. It is not the full genocide. The difference is millions of people. There is no credibility to an argument that refuses to acknowledge this difference.

          Even if it isn’t completed now, Biden has been more than helpful to the far Right colonizers in Israel by enabling this and setting precedent for whenever they wish to continue. Democrat or Republican, it doesn’t matter, Israel has validity now to continue genocide. And Democrat or Republican, it doesn’t matter, voters like you have spoken—support is unconditional, let genocide continue.

          No Trump would be worse. He was the one who moved our embassy to Israel. He is the one who is going to destabilize the situation further. Half of the Democratic party wants a ceasefire. Republicans want unconditional support for Israel. Have you ever watched or read fox news? The difference between the parties becomes quite clear, very quickly.

          Where do you draw your line? How many murdered Palestinian families do you find acceptable?

          You can’t guilt someone into enabling fascists. It doesn’t work. Think about all the people the Republicans are going to get killed. It’s not equivalent.

          • ikiruEnglish
            23·
            7 months ago

            Whataboutism.

            the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by … raising a different issue.

            Who raised the issue of Trump or the Republican Party when I discussed Biden?

            We live in a democracy with a two party system.

            Do you still feel it is a democracy worth defending by approving genocide when the choice is a fascist-enabler and a fascist?

            No Trump would be worse. He was the one who moved our embassy to Israel. He is the one who is going to destabilize the situation further. Half of the Democratic party wants a ceasefire. Republicans want unconditional support for Israel. Have you ever watched or read fox news? The difference between the parties becomes quite clear, very quickly.

            Whataboutism. It’s obnoxious when it isn’t being used against your opponents, right?

            You can’t guilt someone into enabling fascists. It doesn’t work. Think about all the people the Republicans are going to get killed. It’s not equivalent.

            I haven’t supported any fascists. The Democratic Party, on the other hand, was the one who guilted you into enabling fascists. Netanyahu has gone mask-off fascist and the Democratic Party guilted you and others into voting for Biden who has been enabling Netanyahu for decades, and continues to do so now. How many people have to be murdered for you to stop supporting Biden? Do you feel any guilt or shame for voting to empower Biden who shipped weapons and sent money to Israel to bomb children and their families?

            • ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
              31·
              7 months ago

              Who raised the issue of Trump or the Republican Party when I discussed Biden?

              Multiple people did. It’s not whataboutism if the issues are linked. Which they are.

              Do you still feel it is a democracy worth defending by approving genocide when the choice is a fascist-enabler and a fascist?

              This statement is not based in reality. Trump is a fascist and fascist enabler. Biden is not.

              Whataboutism. It’s obnoxious when it isn’t being used against your opponents, right?

              It’s not a whataboutism if the issues are linked. Which they are.

              I haven’t supported any fascists. The Democratic Party, on the other hand, was the one who guilted you into enabling fascists. Netanyahu has gone mask-off fascist and the Democratic Party guilted you and others into voting for Biden who has been enabling Netanyahu for decades, and continues to do so now. How many people have to be murdered for you to stop supporting Biden? Do you feel any guilt or shame for voting to empower Biden who shipped weapons and sent money to Israel to bomb children and their families?

              It’s a two party system. Republicans win with low voter turn out. By not voting for Biden you are helping Trump. It’s just math. You can’t guilt people into supporting a fascist like Trump.

              • ikiruEnglish
                22·
                7 months ago

                Trump is a fascist and fascist enabler. Biden is not.

                You’re delusional if you are not even willing to admit to yourself you voted for a fascist enabler because you wanted to feel safer.

                It’s a two party system. Republicans win with low voter turn out. By not voting for Biden you are helping Trump. It’s just math. You can’t guilt people into supporting a fascist like Trump.

                That’s a functional democracy worth defending at the cost of supporting genocide to you?

                • ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
                  3·
                  7 months ago

                  You’re delusional if you are not even willing to admit to yourself you voted for a fascist enabler because you wanted to feel safer.

                  I mean, I do feel safer. You should too. I voted for Biden to stop the fascist take over. I didn’t fully realize how much of a danger it was until Jan 6th. But it’s become crystal clear to me since.

                  That’s a functional democracy worth defending at the cost of supporting genocide to you?

                  A democracy that is against genocide is better than a fascist dictatorship that actively pursues genocide at home and abroad. How is that even a question?

                  • ikiruEnglish
                    1·
                    7 months ago

                    I mean, I do feel safer. You should too. I voted for Biden to stop the fascist take over. I didn’t fully realize how much of a danger it was until Jan 6th. But it’s become crystal clear to me since.

                    I don’t feel safer because I’ve seen the slide towards fascism way before Trump and I know it will continue towards fascism because this slide includes the support and enabling of Democrats. There is no getting off this train by just electing Biden or the next assless Democrat who will just watch as fascists consolidate power.

                    A democracy that is against genocide is better than a fascist dictatorship that actively pursues genocide at home and abroad. How is that even a question?

                    It’s really telling to me you still consider this a democracy that is against genocide. The President is literally funding and arming a genocide that is happening right now. And when the choice is between a President who supports genocide or a President who supports worse genocide, how is that not already a dictatorship? How is that a functioning democracy? That is why it is even a question.