I understand fearing this sort of rhetoric coming from someone who, for example, might have bigoted views. And we unfortunately do need a balance between making intersectional values clear and firm while not bogging down conversation with constant conditionals and asterisks and footnotes. But the fact remains that “woke” is the most unpopular word of 2022 for good reason. The colloquial definition does indeed refer to something that is a poison borne from capital as it evolves its tactics to the 21st century as often as it refers to intersectional movements.

Surely there is an interpretation you can have of Foresight’s comment that leaves room for doubt that they are more than simply a reactionary. I think the comment is vague enough to question but not something that is necessarily bad. There is indeed something within what we call “woke” that is a co-opted socially engineered weapon of Western capital that will continue to fuel fascism and kneecap, ironically, not just socialism but social progressivism, if left unchallenged and untalked about.

There’s a nuanced discussion to be had for sure.

Not a reactionary, if i’m a reactionary why why i advocate for economic planning with a modified version of material balance planning with control theory and cybernetics? You realise the whole point of socialism is to replace the economic system of capitalism not “i have an identity it’s about me myself and i”

I watched a bit of Infared and was hoping for something useful maybe, but his gay bashing, debate skills that made me think that he was parodying the confrontational pointlessness of internet debates online (mostly just puffing up his chest and screaming), also he seemed really interested in getting everyone that is Marxist to read Heidiger. I stopped caring after realizing that he was not parodying internet debate and really wanted everyone to subscribe to him and gain a large fanbase. I found it interesting that he supported China alot and worked with Chinese Nationalists. Later on I heard about him opposing starbucks unionising because they don’t look like his superficial image of that the working class looks like. He’s also insistent on being unreasonable and calling it “dialectical”. He has an hour long video on why nobody should need to define what they are saying. Contrary to Haz’s kind of logic, ethnic and sexual minorities are workers and have no material reason to oppose the greater goals of greater unionization. At best Infared is just engaging in cultural tailism to theoretically move them towards socialism. His advice for praxis is reading heidiger, winging about how “woke” everything is, and subscribing to him rather than do any actual praxis to advance the goals of socialism. Functionally, I can’t tell the difference between him and Nazis. He could be an FBI agent to confuse domestic americans about what socialism is. He could be on the side of the chinese nationalists to get funding to overthrow the cpc. I don’t think that they have a definable theoretical framework other than vibes of masculinity.

I just don’t want there to be a constant obsession about social issues while completely negating the whole point of socialism which is economic planning, economics. The majority of wokists have no idea of economic planning or how it works other than surface level basics. How are you suppose to build a house when you don’t know how to build one? I’m sick to death of the left being obsessed and fixated on social issues that the whole point of socialism has been forgotten and lost. But it doesn’t matter anyway because i’ve completely given up we are at the stage that people don’t even know what material balance planning is.