A lot of people on Lemmy.world tend to be anti-Marxist, which generally happens when you defederate from the Marxist instances, at least in my experience. I’m used to it lol
There is nothing wrong with being pro Marxist. All the more power to you and engaging politically. The issue is you guys – at least here on social media and forums – seem unable to divorce any conversation from marxist-leninist theory. Every discussion, topic, analysis is exclusively locked in this worldview because you’ve decided fervently that this is the ultimate frontier for humanity and anyone that slightly disagrees with this perspective is a capitalist neo-liberal bootlicker that needs to be flogged and burned on the stake.
I think it’s more that related topics have Marxism brought up. I certainly don’t spend all my time reading theory and trying to get people to read theory, I also love coffee (especially espresso), hiking, cooking, gaming, and I have a job. However, when there is a lot of discussion and misconceptions going around, I do my best to correct them. It’s easy to think Marxism is someone’s whole existence if you don’t see them outside that context.
If I am relaxing, I am usually on my Hexbear alt anyways.
Because you are just as exhaustingly childish, naive and deluded as the Randistanis, who believe destroying the government will suddenly lead to perfect freedom and prosperity.
Removing the government creates a power vacuum that leads to all powerful rich oligarchs, just like removing the rich creates a power vacuum that leads to all powerful government bureaucrats like the ones who destroyed the USSR and turned China from a genocidal Maoist regime into a prosperous capitalist dystopia that’s only happy because it was such an incredible improvement.
History shows us the common man is at his most free and happy when the government (or monarchy) and the rich (or nobility) are fighting each other with such fury that they weaken themselves and the people can stand up and live their own lives.
As the Chinese say: heaven is high and the emperor is far away. That’s a good thing, you do not want to live under he CCP and their perfect surveillance.
Because you are just as exhaustingly childish, naive and deluded as the Randistanis, who believe destroying the government will suddenly lead to perfect freedom and prosperity.
I don’t believe any of that, actually. I do believe revolution is necessary for Humanity to move forward, but not that it would immediately lead to perfect freedom and prospertity. That needs to be built, and it can only start by the proletariat siezing the Means of Production and wiping away the old Capitalist state.
The rest of your comment is gish-gallop historical revisionist nonsense.
I do believe revolution is necessary for Humanity to move forward,
Everybody believes in revolution, their revolution, and if you follow them they promise you’ll get everything you ever wanted:
The American revolution is one of the few that actually worked out, and it just transfered power from England to the new ruling elite landowners in America.
What works is everyone organizing and showing unity, revolution just shuffles the deck so the new leaders can declare victory while learning to walk on their hind legs.
You have no points, only a lack of historical knowledge. The revolutions in China, Cuba, and Russia brought huge increases in life expectancy, literacy rates, access to healthcare and education, housing rates, and more. Read Blackshirts and Reds.
I didn’t say it was the majority. The Communists turned China from a largely agrarian country, one of the poorest in the world, into a superpower over the last 75 years, which came with drastic reductions in poverty and increases in life expectancy. This wasn’t just “copying western medicine,” but rapid industrialization and central planning.
Mao is often described as “70% good” by Communists, he helped install Socialism and wrote good theory, but he was a left-deviationist that largely failed to properly analyze China’s Material Conditions.
The revolutions in China, Cuba, and Russia brought huge increases in life expectancy, literacy rates, access to healthcare and education, housing rates, and more.
The revolution in China brought a catastrophic wave of death.
Meanwhile the same people across the channel had incredible prosperity without the 50m dead from the GLP and CR, while inventing incredible technologies the mainlanders can’t even understand, much less copy like everything else.
China is absolutely crippled by the genocidal failed regime that is the CCP. They’re only prospering now because Deng is a proper capitalist, and that’s where the life expectancy comes from:
Mao was the only proper communist, and he just got everybody killed because he was a complete idiot. I’m sorry your ideology is so transparently broken.
And the Soviet union did well at first because Lenin relaxed communism in favor of partial capitalism, which Stalin reversed and killed millions in his purges, leading to the Holodomor and other catastrophic failures, which brezvhnev repeated and lead to the failure of the ussr.
Nothing but failures all the way down.
But thank you, for actually identifying with both China and the ussr, you make it much easier to prove you obviously wrong compared to the whiny little shits who dream of an ideal communism that never actually happens.
Meanwhile the same people across the channel had incredible prosperity without the 50m dead from the GLP and CR, while inventing incredible technologies the mainlanders can’t even understand, much less copy like everything else.
Racism, much? Also not true at all, the mainland has incredibly advanced production because the majority of the world produces there.
China is absolutely crippled by the genocidal failed regime that is the CCP. They’re only prospering now because Deng is a proper capitalist, and that’s where the life expectancy comes from:
The PRC is has never had a recession since the Dengist reforms, which were a reversion to Marxism from the Ultraleftist Maoism. Read the article Socialism Developed China, Not Capitalism. Deng was a Marxist-Leninist, and introduced a Socialist Market Economy because Mao had tried to achieve Communism through fiat, before the productive forces were ready for it. The majority of the PRC’s economy is publicly owned and operated, and this proportion is increasing over time.
Mao was the only proper communist, and he just got everybody killed because he was a complete idiot. I’m sorry your ideology is so transparently broken.
Mao was an Ultraleftist, he helped bring about Socialism but miscalculated. He made numerous mistakes and errors in judgement. Deng reverted the PRC to a Marxist path.
And the Soviet union did well at first because Lenin relaxed communism in favor of partial capitalism, which Stalin reversed and killed millions in his purges, leading to the Holodomor and other catastrophic failures, which brezvhnev repeated and lead to the failure of the ussr.
Lenin used the NEP the same way the PRC is now using their Socialist Market Economy. Lenin didn’t “relax” Communism, the Productive Forces weren’t ready for socialization. Funny thing about Stalin is that Life Expectancy also doubled under him.
Nothing but failures all the way down.
Dramatic improvements in Life Expectancy, home ownership, access to healthcare, education, drastic jumps in literacy rates, ending famine, dramatically developing industry, and more are “nothing but failures all the way down?” You have no idea what you’re talking about.
But thank you, for actually identifying with both China and the ussr, you make it much easier to prove you obviously wrong compared to the whiny little shits who dream of an ideal communism that never actually happens.
You have no clue what you’re talking about, which makes it much easier to prove you obviously wrong.
Racism, much? Also not true at all, the mainland has incredibly advanced production because the majority of the world produces there.
That’s not racism, they’re literally the same race according to everyone including the fucking CCP!!! I know you don’t have to worry about facts, but don’t be so pathetically transparent.
Also I doubt you’ve been to China lately, saying they’re on the path to Marxism is hilarious, let me guess, the new York stock exchange is the hub of western socialism too?
They’ve copied us in everything but name, it’s a properly capitalist economy, which is why they’re doing so well. They even had their own real-estate financing bubble, we’re so proud.
All the Healthcare and other improvements are from the west, are you honestly trying to tell me they invented any major medical breakthroughs? Because if they had, we would have copied them, which we haven’t. Not a lot of western drugs licensed off China, they stick to copying the low-end.
And SMC is still a decade behind tsmc, no matter how much they cry, they don’t have euv in volume or anything on the level of euv, and they were one of the biggest consumers of Nvidia (fabbed in Taiwan with a Taiwanese founder and ceo) until they got cut off.
This is exactly the same mindless propaganda the Soviet union tried to spread, you need to get better.
That’s not racism, they’re literally the same race according to everyone including the fucking CCP!!! I know you don’t have to worry about facts, but don’t be so pathetically transparent.
This is exactly racism, there are numerous ethnic groups in China and Taipei.
Also I doubt you’ve been to China lately, saying they’re on the path to Marxism is hilarious, let me guess, the new York stock exchange is the hub of western socialism too?
No, the New York Stock Exchange exists in the context of an 80%+ privatized system where the bourgeoisie control the state.
They’ve copied us in everything but name, it’s a properly capitalist economy, which is why they’re doing so well. They even had their own real-estate financing bubble, we’re so proud.
I am once again asking you to explain why an economy that is over 50% publicly owned and managed, around 10% cooperatively managed, and the remaing private sector has CPC control, is Capitalist. Read Socialism Developed China, Not Capitalism. You haven’t read Marx, Engels, Lenin, Mao, or Deng, that much is obvious, but surely you can read a 20 minute article, right?
All the Healthcare and other improvements are from the west, are you honestly trying to tell me they invented any major medical breakthroughs? Because if they had, we would have copied them, which we haven’t. Not a lot of western drugs licensed off China, they stick to copying the low-end.
Yes, they have invented tons of medical breakthroughs. The West is interested in profit above all else. This is western chauvanism.
And SMC is still a decade behind tsmc, no matter how much they cry, they don’t have euv in volume or anything on the level of euv, and they were one of the biggest consumers of Nvidia (fabbed in Taiwan with a Taiwanese founder and ceo) until they got cut off.
And yet SMC is gaining on TSMC.
This is exactly the same mindless propaganda the Soviet union tried to spread, you need to get better.
You have never read Marx or any Marxist, why are you pretending you’re an authority on Socialism? It’s ridiculous cosplay.
A lot of people on Lemmy.world tend to be anti-Marxist, which generally happens when you defederate from the Marxist instances, at least in my experience. I’m used to it lol
There is nothing wrong with being pro Marxist. All the more power to you and engaging politically. The issue is you guys – at least here on social media and forums – seem unable to divorce any conversation from marxist-leninist theory. Every discussion, topic, analysis is exclusively locked in this worldview because you’ve decided fervently that this is the ultimate frontier for humanity and anyone that slightly disagrees with this perspective is a capitalist neo-liberal bootlicker that needs to be flogged and burned on the stake.
Every time. Every. Single. Time.
I think it’s more that related topics have Marxism brought up. I certainly don’t spend all my time reading theory and trying to get people to read theory, I also love coffee (especially espresso), hiking, cooking, gaming, and I have a job. However, when there is a lot of discussion and misconceptions going around, I do my best to correct them. It’s easy to think Marxism is someone’s whole existence if you don’t see them outside that context.
If I am relaxing, I am usually on my Hexbear alt anyways.
Because you are just as exhaustingly childish, naive and deluded as the Randistanis, who believe destroying the government will suddenly lead to perfect freedom and prosperity.
Removing the government creates a power vacuum that leads to all powerful rich oligarchs, just like removing the rich creates a power vacuum that leads to all powerful government bureaucrats like the ones who destroyed the USSR and turned China from a genocidal Maoist regime into a prosperous capitalist dystopia that’s only happy because it was such an incredible improvement.
History shows us the common man is at his most free and happy when the government (or monarchy) and the rich (or nobility) are fighting each other with such fury that they weaken themselves and the people can stand up and live their own lives.
As the Chinese say: heaven is high and the emperor is far away. That’s a good thing, you do not want to live under he CCP and their perfect surveillance.
I don’t believe any of that, actually. I do believe revolution is necessary for Humanity to move forward, but not that it would immediately lead to perfect freedom and prospertity. That needs to be built, and it can only start by the proletariat siezing the Means of Production and wiping away the old Capitalist state.
The rest of your comment is gish-gallop historical revisionist nonsense.
Everybody believes in revolution, their revolution, and if you follow them they promise you’ll get everything you ever wanted:
The American revolution is one of the few that actually worked out, and it just transfered power from England to the new ruling elite landowners in America.
What works is everyone organizing and showing unity, revolution just shuffles the deck so the new leaders can declare victory while learning to walk on their hind legs.
You have no points, only a lack of historical knowledge. The revolutions in China, Cuba, and Russia brought huge increases in life expectancy, literacy rates, access to healthcare and education, housing rates, and more. Read Blackshirts and Reds.
You know who else had massive increases in life expectancy over that period? EVERY FUCKING ONE!!!
If you copied any western medicine and hygiene, your life probably doubled.
Yes, China had a bulk of the world’s population and had the largest impact on said metrics. Do you think it was magic that caused this?
Mask-off racism and western-chauvanism.
It wasn’t the majority of the population, and the curve doesn’t follow china’s exactly because of all of Mao’s idiot killing.
I didn’t say it was the majority. The Communists turned China from a largely agrarian country, one of the poorest in the world, into a superpower over the last 75 years, which came with drastic reductions in poverty and increases in life expectancy. This wasn’t just “copying western medicine,” but rapid industrialization and central planning.
Mao is often described as “70% good” by Communists, he helped install Socialism and wrote good theory, but he was a left-deviationist that largely failed to properly analyze China’s Material Conditions.
The revolution in China brought a catastrophic wave of death.
Meanwhile the same people across the channel had incredible prosperity without the 50m dead from the GLP and CR, while inventing incredible technologies the mainlanders can’t even understand, much less copy like everything else.
China is absolutely crippled by the genocidal failed regime that is the CCP. They’re only prospering now because Deng is a proper capitalist, and that’s where the life expectancy comes from:
Mao was the only proper communist, and he just got everybody killed because he was a complete idiot. I’m sorry your ideology is so transparently broken.
And the Soviet union did well at first because Lenin relaxed communism in favor of partial capitalism, which Stalin reversed and killed millions in his purges, leading to the Holodomor and other catastrophic failures, which brezvhnev repeated and lead to the failure of the ussr.
Nothing but failures all the way down.
But thank you, for actually identifying with both China and the ussr, you make it much easier to prove you obviously wrong compared to the whiny little shits who dream of an ideal communism that never actually happens.
Life expectancy doubled under Mao.
Racism, much? Also not true at all, the mainland has incredibly advanced production because the majority of the world produces there.
The PRC is has never had a recession since the Dengist reforms, which were a reversion to Marxism from the Ultraleftist Maoism. Read the article Socialism Developed China, Not Capitalism. Deng was a Marxist-Leninist, and introduced a Socialist Market Economy because Mao had tried to achieve Communism through fiat, before the productive forces were ready for it. The majority of the PRC’s economy is publicly owned and operated, and this proportion is increasing over time.
Mao was an Ultraleftist, he helped bring about Socialism but miscalculated. He made numerous mistakes and errors in judgement. Deng reverted the PRC to a Marxist path.
Lenin used the NEP the same way the PRC is now using their Socialist Market Economy. Lenin didn’t “relax” Communism, the Productive Forces weren’t ready for socialization. Funny thing about Stalin is that Life Expectancy also doubled under him.
Dramatic improvements in Life Expectancy, home ownership, access to healthcare, education, drastic jumps in literacy rates, ending famine, dramatically developing industry, and more are “nothing but failures all the way down?” You have no idea what you’re talking about.
You have no clue what you’re talking about, which makes it much easier to prove you obviously wrong.
That’s not racism, they’re literally the same race according to everyone including the fucking CCP!!! I know you don’t have to worry about facts, but don’t be so pathetically transparent.
Also I doubt you’ve been to China lately, saying they’re on the path to Marxism is hilarious, let me guess, the new York stock exchange is the hub of western socialism too?
They’ve copied us in everything but name, it’s a properly capitalist economy, which is why they’re doing so well. They even had their own real-estate financing bubble, we’re so proud.
All the Healthcare and other improvements are from the west, are you honestly trying to tell me they invented any major medical breakthroughs? Because if they had, we would have copied them, which we haven’t. Not a lot of western drugs licensed off China, they stick to copying the low-end.
And SMC is still a decade behind tsmc, no matter how much they cry, they don’t have euv in volume or anything on the level of euv, and they were one of the biggest consumers of Nvidia (fabbed in Taiwan with a Taiwanese founder and ceo) until they got cut off.
This is exactly the same mindless propaganda the Soviet union tried to spread, you need to get better.
This is exactly racism, there are numerous ethnic groups in China and Taipei.
No, the New York Stock Exchange exists in the context of an 80%+ privatized system where the bourgeoisie control the state.
I am once again asking you to explain why an economy that is over 50% publicly owned and managed, around 10% cooperatively managed, and the remaing private sector has CPC control, is Capitalist. Read Socialism Developed China, Not Capitalism. You haven’t read Marx, Engels, Lenin, Mao, or Deng, that much is obvious, but surely you can read a 20 minute article, right?
Yes, they have invented tons of medical breakthroughs. The West is interested in profit above all else. This is western chauvanism.
And yet SMC is gaining on TSMC.
You have never read Marx or any Marxist, why are you pretending you’re an authority on Socialism? It’s ridiculous cosplay.