• Philote
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    2 months ago

    Show me a political group worth backing and I will listen. Otherwise you are yelling at clouds. We acknowledge, we see no alternatives. Over throw the government, hell yeah sounds punk rock but what replaces it? A bunch of dungeon dweebs with zero understanding of global politics. Some Christo fascist extremist group that would start and lose a civil war with anyone non white. A far left progressive group that doesn’t understand how the American threat of violence is the only commodity keeping the US from being a third world country. There is a reason we spend the money we do on our military, its why Israel is our Middle East enforcers, it’s why we have to back Ukraine no matter what. It’s why the 2 parties are essentially the same.

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      2 months ago

      Party for Socialism and Liberation.

      Except you’re just being disingenuous. Leftists call out actual alternatives all the time during discourse.

      And clowns like you just keep showing up, trying to derail the discussion, hemming and hawing about how leftists provide no real alternative.

      Except it’s all lies. You are a fucking liar.

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      PSL. Even Greens would be better than either party if you’re a liberal. But you would apparently rather ignore these “political groups worth backing” that both the left and large big-tent Muslim groups have been advocating, to plug your ears and make petty insults (“dungeon dweebs?” the hell are you talking about?) and make smarmy word-salad with a weird side of half-defending of the US subsidizing petty-bourgeois living conditions with violent imperial and neo-colonial exploitation, served on a plate of blatantly lying about the “far left,” which are in reality the only ones who do understand and constantly talk about the evils and contradictions of empire and its absolute need to be dismantled, somehow “not understanding” one of the things they talk about and analyze more than anything and more than anyone; probably including you.

      Which, also, go to any lumpenized ghetto or homeless tent city encampments in the US and tell me it’s not “third-world country” for huge portions of the population. You imprison more than anyone ever has in history and still can’t cover up this ever-expanding underbelly caused by both parties. How much of the “Real America” have you spent time in? Everything you said is petty-bourgeois distraction and railroading conversation into a jam-up of complacency and status quo-reinforcing. Vote for the PSL, join them or another socialist organization to help, and stop with this bad-faith talk; or otherwise admit to being a nationalist and that you like things this way because you are one of the shrinking portions that still benefit from it — but don’t pretend to be on the side of progress while standing in the way and throwing shit at those advocating and pushing to make the world a better place.

    • Sabre363@sh.itjust.works
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      2 months ago

      I was thinking maybe we should just replace all the old cunts with younger and more competent people that actually care about what’s going to happen in twenty years. The parties aren’t really beneficial, it’s time to let them go

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        huh, this is the first time I’ve ran across this idea on here. I mean, it would be fucking crazy and to pull it off would take a miracle of a life time… but I think this has merit.

        You could file this under Anti-trust/monopoly competition law.

        Competition law is the field of law that promotes or seeks to maintain market competition by regulating anti-competitive conduct by companies. In economics, competition is a scenario where different economic firms[Note 1] are in contention to obtain goods that are limited by varying the elements of the marketing mix: price, product, promotion and place. In classical economic thought, competition causes commercial firms to develop new products, services and technologies, which would give consumers greater selection and better products.

        This is largely how both the DNC and RNC are defined

        According to Boris Heersink, “political scientists have traditionally described the parties’ national committees as inconsequential but impartial service providers.”

        So if you look at both the RNC and DNC as an organization or company that provides a service (which they’ve argued themselves in court, that they’re not a true democratic function), you could consider them a national monopoly on a service provided to political prospects (think ticketmaster-livenation). If you break up the national level to only have individual organizations in states that aren’t allowed to unlawfully co-operate with eachother, you would have better chances of people getting their state representatives to actuallly listen to their constituents.

        National elections would become like an All-Star Jam or the Olympics basketball team. It would be much the same players but having to form their own services eliminating the “political pipeline” that the DNC/RNC currently has a market on, on a national level. Which, the overwhelming power they have, trickles down into state elections with vast resources and political sway disrupting a democratic process.

        You could do all of this in a courtroom, no legislation required to be passed for enforcement. I have faith in each side having enough disgruntled members and judges tired of playing politics that you might get some headway.

    • CountryBreakfast@lemmygrad.ml
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      A bunch of dungeon dweebs with zero understanding of global politics. Some Christo fascist extremist group that would start and lose a civil war with anyone non white.

      Lmao your like I love fascists just please keep the Jesus out and don’t lose the coups we start