• istanbullu
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    Controversial take: Trump is the only American president in recent history that broke away from the policy of war and invasion. Bush Jr, Obama and Biden all left a very bloody legacy, and were direcly responsible for mass murder. If you are not American, then supporting Trump makes a lot of sense.

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      Remember when Trump dropped the biggest non-nuclear bomb the US military has on Afghanistan for no good reason? Designed for flattening buildings on the surface they deployed it against a tunnel complex.

      Remember when he pulled out of the Iran Nuclear deal and the invited one of their top Generals to Iraq and then assassinated him with a drone?

      Remember when he wanted to employ the US military against protestors on US Soil and called for the Insurrection Act?

      Remember when he ended the policy of reporting Drone strikes outside of official warzones so useful idiots would think he wasn’t a war monger?

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      Do you people literally live in the states and not just listen to be calls… The trump election calls.

      Like how fucking dunse do you need to be to still want a king, and not actually check the crimes he committed.

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        Having them as neighbors and family makes it no less insane if you, like, pay attention to the world. Or if you give a shit about other people getting a shot at a decent life.

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        Like how fucking dunse do you need to be to still want a king

        Every four years, conservatives have to fight to get their team into office. That’s expensive and difficult and often requires compromise with a bunch of people they hate.

        To quote former president George W Bush:

        If this were a dictatorship it would be a heck of a lot easier… as long as I’m the dictator. Hehehe

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          A king undermines the concept of a republican party. You see that right!?

          Trump literally tried to go against governmental policy. Republican policy too…

          That’s a good bush joke… you even included the part where he admits the joke. Hehehe

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            A king undermines the concept of a republican party.

            These are all just name tags anyway. Republicans aren’t any more pro-Republicanism than Democrats are pro-Democracy. Hell, even the Libertarians aren’t particularly libertarian, unless you take that crap about Anarcho-Capitalism at the most superficial face value.

            Trump literally tried to go against governmental policy.

            Sure. But he’s allowed to do that if you just assert the government policy was wrong/illegal/bad. That’s one of the fundamental problems with bland legalism. Any lawyer worth their salt can argue both ends of a case convincingly and lots of the appellate court judges are political creatures who only hear what their paymasters tell them to.

            you even included the part where he admits the joke

            Bush put “Unitary Executive” in the American political lexicon. If he was joking, he certainly didn’t act like it.

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      Trump is the only American president in recent history that broke away from the policy of war and invasion.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Qasem_Soleimani

      Part of at least five reported assassination attempts under the Trump Presidency.

      Trump also ratcheted tensions on the Ukraine/Russia border by opening the floodgates for US weapons into Ukraine, which were used in the exchange of fire that prompted the Russian invasion.

      And he’s been more than happy to sell weapons to despotic regimes in Saudi Arabia and the UAE, which ratcheted tensions on Yemen.

      And, of course, he has been a full-throated supporter of Israeli genocide in Gaza and the West Bank, including the massacre of peaceful protesters during the 2018-2019 Palestine marches

      To claim Trump is “anti-war” is entirely untrue. He’s “anti-losing” and prefers to be in conflicts where he can crush opposition with impunity. He couldn’t do that in Afghanistan (not for lack of trying, he launched a vicious bombing campaign during his first year in office) and recognized it was undermining efforts elsewhere in the world. But he was more than happy to assassinate, bomb, and brutalize foreign countries at every opportunity during the full length of his term.

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        Sure, Russia was basically forced to start a full scale invasion of Ukraine because of some skirmish that used American weapons. It’s definitely not just Russian imperialism, and the little green men that started the invasion in 2014 also weren’t members of the Russian military. Have you lost your mind?

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          Russia was basically forced to start a full scale invasion of Ukraine

          I’m sorry, what’s up?

          It’s definitely not just Russian imperialism, and the little green men that started the invasion in 2014 also weren’t members of the Russian military.

          Little green men? Dude, what are you smoking?

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            You just blamed the invasion of Ukraine on Trump ‘opening the floodgates for US weapons’ which is bullshit. The invasion was started in 2014 by Little green men which were masked Russian soldiers.

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              You just blamed the invasion of Ukraine on Trump

              No. I contested the claim that Trump was “anti-war” by noting his staunch support for international arms sales.

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                Trump also ratcheted tensions on the Ukraine/Russia border by opening the floodgates for US weapons into Ukraine, which were used in the exchange of fire that prompted the Russian invasion

                Hell yes you did.

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      Lmao how could you believe something so utterly untrue? Trump bombed an Iraqi airfield to get one guy and threatened all out thermonuclear warfare with North Korea. He’s about as pro-war, dyed-in-the-wool imperialist as they come.

      Our Western allies are terrified of Trump retaking office because he will never commit to helping anyone else.

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      Yes, I’m sure the Palestinians will be very relieved when Trump gives Israel even more toys to flatten them with.

      Ukraine and the rest of Eastern Europe will also be pleased to return to the USSR.

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        I’m sure the Palestinians will be very relieved when Trump gives Israel even more toys to flatten them with.

        How is this any different from what Biden is doing? Biden gave a blank check to Israel to commit mass murder and sent them weapons.