Big claims inbound. Quantum computing challenging reality as we know it.

  • @obbeelOP
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    12 years ago

    Sorry, when I opened the article I could read it (I don’t pay NewScientist), maybe I’ll try to copy paste it. It’s not about conscious experience, but from quantum interaction. Like when particles entangle with each other.

    It’s a big mistery why those entangled particles decohere, and people have been trying to find answers. So, what they’re going for here is the obvious: “obviously those particles decohere because they’re decohering into a greater state of interaction”. It’s not about consciousness.

    Last part of the article talks about trying to mathematically fix the communication of qubits, which, if it can be done, would support this claim that everything is constantly interacting.

    • @abbenm
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      22 years ago

      It’s not about conscious experience, but from quantum interaction

      The problem is that the article repeatedly flies very very close to the sun with all kinds of phrasing implying “perspectives” of individuals (e.g. consciousness).

      In physics, as in life, it is important to view things from more than one perspective

      lengths of space and durations of time vary depending on who is looking.

      It seemed to show that by measuring things, we play a part in determining their properties

      A century later, many physicists question whether a single objective reality, shared by all observers, exists at all.

      For the first time, we can jump from one quantum perspective to another.

      At a bare minimum it’s definitely equivocating between “perspective” in the sense of human perspective and perspective in the sense of frames of reference as it pertains to physics. And the article title is “do we create space-time”? Why even bother using open-ended phrasing that flirts with that possibility in the first place? We have so much misinformation that comes from people playing with meaning about the relation between quantum and conscious things that using paraphys upon paragraphs of phrasing that veers into and then out of that implication conveys the same impression as stating it outright.

      • @obbeelOP
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        12 years ago

        Well, I would say maybe the writer hopes there is some relation. This thinking is “problematic” as in, yes, Quantum Coaching, but there is a possibility that quantum information and consciousness are related.

        https://sci-hub.st/10.1016/j.pbiomolbio.2020.08.002

        Of course, I don’t think we, as humans, have much of an impact on Jupiter or Saturn, but there is a possibility these things are related.

        • @abbenm
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          12 years ago

          It’s true that one cite this or that article that plays with quantum and conscious stuff, but they don’t represent a consensus position and there’s a long history of people attempting to blend these concepts together in ways that are obvious and vulgar mistakes. I think every next new attempt to do the same thing should be viewed in the context of that history and regarded with deep suspicion.

    • @abbenm
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      12 years ago

      @jazzjfes posted a full link so we’re good. I was able to look further down the article, and I think there’s some meat there to the QC stuff that is independent of the framing that starts at the beginning of the article.