Rather than smugly shaming leftists who draw the line at genocide, you could instead spend your time pushing Biden to stop the slaughter, which would instantly win votes. It’s telling that you don’t 😉
What is it telling of exactly? Is this meant to imply that pug supports the Israeli campaign? That they’re also a genocidal madperson?
If you’ll humor me for a moment… What happens if progressives pull support for biden and he doesn’t change his position? What is the outcome of that scenario?
So, while in a perfect world, I agree with you… The current problem that exists is that opposite to Biden is Trump. And while Biden is currently engaging in a performance of seeing how quickly he can erase a red line after drawing it, Trump:
Has on record stated that Israel must “finish the problem”
Is the spearhead of the project 2025 plan
Is also domestically terrible (to sum it up in one awful term… He’s hard-line “Anti-woke”)
Given the above, can you understand how, even though its a terrible, awful, disgusting decision to make, a lot of voters will want as many people as possible to still vote for Biden, despite acknowledging his terrible policy? How these voters understand what they are enabling, but they also understand that the alternative is the potential democratic collapse (project 2025) of the USA?
Edit: in addition to the above, what @jumjummy@lemmy.world also stands as needing to be answered… Where is the mass outraged call for the right to (in a non-antisemitic way) support Palestine if elected? As far as I’m concerned, ive not seen a single call to action for that side.
You said “Biden is the lesser evil” but it took you 3 paragraphs. If a voting strategy has led you to apologize for genocide, you need a new strategy. Listen to the people whose tents are being bombed. Listen to their advocacy groups.
Respectfully, I dont believe we’re going to shift each other’s views at a rate where it’s feasible to undertake this via a Lemmy thread. I will disengage from here, feel free to take this as a “win” if you’re the type of person to do that. I sincerely and genuinely wish you luck in your approach, I would love to be proven wrong.
Once again I ask these tankies, what is your suggestion come November? If the answer isn’t vote for Biden, you’re helping Trump. When you come back to reality, that’s just the simple truth.
When your middle school class gets to their unit on Nazis, perhaps you’ll discover why it is bad to assist the openly racist authoritarian demagogue who did a putsch, screeches “fake news” at everything, and wants SCOTUS to hand him a long knife.
Oh no, they’ll just make a nice little Molotov-Ribbentrop pact with the openly racist authoritarian demagogue, while still claiming to be the only people TRULY opposed to fascism.
Are any major pro-Palestine groups encouraging us to vote for Biden? Can you point to any policy or action that lessened the genocide? What “line in the sand” has Biden drawn? What punishments has he meted out on Israel?
It’s a fact that he’s a lifelong, hardcore Zionist. The only sane conclusion is that the genocide is fully supported by the president.
Rather than smugly shaming leftists who draw the line at genocide, you could instead spend your time pushing Biden to stop the slaughter, which would instantly win votes. It’s telling that you don’t 😉
What is it telling of exactly? Is this meant to imply that pug supports the Israeli campaign? That they’re also a genocidal madperson?
If you’ll humor me for a moment… What happens if progressives pull support for biden and he doesn’t change his position? What is the outcome of that scenario?
Given two ways to help Biden win the election:
When someone chooses 2) and not 1), it’s telling me that they’d rather see people accept Biden’s Zionist goals than see Biden accept popular will.
Except your option 1 people are rife with Trump loyalists, Russian propoganda, and naive fools.
Where’s the call to the GOP to stop voting to support Israel? Oddly silent on that side.
Said like someone who’s never been near an anti-Trump protest.
So, while in a perfect world, I agree with you… The current problem that exists is that opposite to Biden is Trump. And while Biden is currently engaging in a performance of seeing how quickly he can erase a red line after drawing it, Trump:
Given the above, can you understand how, even though its a terrible, awful, disgusting decision to make, a lot of voters will want as many people as possible to still vote for Biden, despite acknowledging his terrible policy? How these voters understand what they are enabling, but they also understand that the alternative is the potential democratic collapse (project 2025) of the USA?
Edit: in addition to the above, what @jumjummy@lemmy.world also stands as needing to be answered… Where is the mass outraged call for the right to (in a non-antisemitic way) support Palestine if elected? As far as I’m concerned, ive not seen a single call to action for that side.
In a perfect world there’d be genocide?
Again, just stand in solidarity with Palestinians. Listen to them, listen to their advocacy groups.
Thank you for totally failing to engage with anything I typed 👍
You said “Biden is the lesser evil” but it took you 3 paragraphs. If a voting strategy has led you to apologize for genocide, you need a new strategy. Listen to the people whose tents are being bombed. Listen to their advocacy groups.
Respectfully, I dont believe we’re going to shift each other’s views at a rate where it’s feasible to undertake this via a Lemmy thread. I will disengage from here, feel free to take this as a “win” if you’re the type of person to do that. I sincerely and genuinely wish you luck in your approach, I would love to be proven wrong.
Edit: typo
Funny, last I checked the terminally online MLs were advocating letting Trump win and genocide flourish.
The genocide is flourishing right now, and the worst way to persuade a politician is to promise you’ll vote for them no matter what.
The worst way to stop a genocide is allowing a Muslim ban fan to ramp up the executions and also assist Russia against Ukraine.
But the Ukrainian genocide is None Of Our Business™, conveniently.
I didn’t realize America was sending spec ops, bombs, and our taxes to Russia.
Lesser-evil voting has led you to support an imagined “kinder, gentler genocide”. Seems a bad strategy.
Whatever helps you convince yourself you’re right in allowing Donald to genocide harder and in more countries.
When you were a kid learning about Nazis, did you ever imagine yourself begging people to vote for a guy actively carrying out a genocide?
Once again I ask these tankies, what is your suggestion come November? If the answer isn’t vote for Biden, you’re helping Trump. When you come back to reality, that’s just the simple truth.
Vote in solidarity with the victims of the genocide. Listen to what they’re saying, listen to pro-Palestinian groups.
When your middle school class gets to their unit on Nazis, perhaps you’ll discover why it is bad to assist the openly racist authoritarian demagogue who did a putsch, screeches “fake news” at everything, and wants SCOTUS to hand him a long knife.
Oh no, they’ll just make a nice little Molotov-Ribbentrop pact with the openly racist authoritarian demagogue, while still claiming to be the only people TRULY opposed to fascism.
Are any major pro-Palestine groups encouraging us to vote for Biden? Can you point to any policy or action that lessened the genocide? What “line in the sand” has Biden drawn? What punishments has he meted out on Israel?
It’s a fact that he’s a lifelong, hardcore Zionist. The only sane conclusion is that the genocide is fully supported by the president.