• Cowbee
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    It’s generally anticommunist propaganda, equating Communists and Anarchists with fascists, as a way to make the liberal status quo seem “rational.” In actuality, there is nothing similar between the far left and the far right. Additionally, the claim that violence is common on the far left and far right when compared to already common violence of liberalism is additionally used to paint leftist structures in a negative light.

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      2 months ago

      Communism is an economic system, which doesn’t define social legislation. A social system can go from libertarian, which is full freedom from government legislation, to authoritarian, which is highly legislated social behavior. That is independent of the system of economy, which in the US is defined by more or fewer social programs, or increased or decreased taxation.

      Anarchists are socially libertarian by definition. They support full civil liberty, devoid of social legislation.

      I understand horseshoe theory as increased social legislation, usually beginning as a way of limiting or censoring “the opposition,” until a new leader takes office and leverages it against their opposition.

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        2 months ago

        That isn’t really true, nor accurate.

        Communism, chiefly, is a Stateless, Classless, Moneyless society. A world republic where from each’s ability, each’s needs are satisfied. You cannot separate that from the concept of government.

        “Authoritarian” and “Libertarian” are vibes-based labels. Capitalism is inherently a system where the majority do not hold power, yet by your definition it could be “libertarian” or “authoritarian.”

        Horseshoe theory again is used purely to equate the left with the far-right and uphold the liberal status quo as a “sensible meeting point” and legitimize the violent system.

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          I’m not familiar with the term vibes-based regarding social legislation. An example of social legislation in a communist nation would be law against homosexuality in Russia. One is independent of the other. Capitalism is also a system of economy, devoid of social legislation inference.

          Are you familial with the Nolan Chart? It displays economic legislation on the X axis and social legislation on the Y axis, defining their clear independence. I find it to be helpful in seeing the difference in restrictions to social freedom independent of economic support (or lack thereof).

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_Chart

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            2 months ago

            None of that has anything to do with horseshoe theory, though, which is the idea that the far left and far right are similar. Homosexuality was decriminalized under Lenin, who was further left than Stalin, who recriminalized it. Your example goes against the original claim.

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              You should read more about the difference between economic and social legislation. I used that example to illustrate the difference between the two, and the point seems to be lost on you.

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                I understand the difference. I fail to see how it proves Horseshoe Theory.