Yeah, and there’s a fair amount of money behind this push…which like…I’m not American, don’t live in the States, but my sister and her wife do…and I’ve gotta figure out how to get them the fuck out if things go Trump again…
Edit: also, living in the UK I run into loads of people who go “Well, if Trump gets in again, that’s not really our problem…” but like…the USA makes they’re problems everyone’s problem. And another Trump presidential term would be a huge problem for the rest of the world…
Yeah, I’ve been following UK politics by way of TrashFuture podcast and I gotta say… your immigration plan is to deport people to Rwanda and your government just endorsed a Trans-Panic Committee to decide whether teenagers can consent to gender-affirming care.
And these are the moderate Labour Party positions. Liz Truss wants to do worse.
God damn, dude. Finding the worst people to run the country is not a competition. You can just let the Yanks have this one.
They look at our right wing propaganda machine to see what “works.” They also get the added “benefit” of our toxic sludge that is online political discourse to feed off of. They don’t need new issues as they have a repository of shit to pick from…
Why does Americas #2 export need to be toxic right wing bullshit…
Finding the worst people to run the country is not a competition.
I’m only here on a marriage visa, I’m not a P.R or citizen yet, so I’m not allowed to vote against having these bigots and con-men in power.
Also, while labour is somewhat moderate, the Tories are in power, and they’re a bunch of fucking nut jobs. Labour can’t decide what they stand for anymore, which means they will stand for nothing, and the rest of the available parties will never get to power again.
The available options are shit, just like in the States. And the Yanks think they invented having a shit government, but lemme tell you, the Brits have been fucking up their own government and foreign governments for a lot longer the the US has been a thing.
As a yank who’s followed British politics for a while, I wouldn’t blame labour’s bullshit on the tories. They seem to have done the same thing in response to thatcher that the Dems did to Reagan “ok sure we can be the neutral centrist party, we’ll be conservative while you be regressive”. When I see actual left wing ideas coming out of the UK it’s either from your queer folks, a small and vulnerable actual left wing, or from the SNP. Even now with the tories wildly unpopular Labour seems to be taking the attitude of “we should reach across the aisle and offer to do what they propose”.
But you are right we learned how to govern from two sources, you and the Iroquois confederacy, and the Iroquois functioned (they still do, but they did then too).
In a similar situation here in NZ. On a perm resident visa through partnership, can’t vote, keenly interested in being on my best behaviour here. Labour wasn’t amazeballs, but the current coalition is like watching a pack of dogs with diarrhoea tear through a quiet town. You just know it’ll be on someone else to clean up after them.
The Rwanda asylum scheme is and has been a Tory plan from its inception, and has never been endorsed by Labour. I’m not familiar with the TrashFuture podcast, but can recommend Pod Save the UK if you’re in the market for UK politics pods.
Baroness Jenny Chapman, a frontbencher who was Sir Keir’s political secretary, was asked whether Labour would axe the scheme if 10,000 migrants had been flown to Rwanda by the time of the election.
The peer, who was a member of the shadow cabinet, replied: “If it did, as a major major leap with a thought experiment, then we might be having a different conversation but there is absolutely no evidence this is going to work.”
It was explicitly a hypothetical thought experiment. Starmer has already said they wouldn’t go through with the Rwanda plan, even if it did somehow prove effective. That’s all stated plainly in the article you linked (from the Telegraph!). It really seems like you’re just doubling down in the face of the evidence, rather than admitting to having made an incorrect statement.
It was explicitly a hypothetical thought experiment
By the presumed future minister in charge. If boat crossings to the UK fall following implementation of Rwanda deportations (more a gamble than a hypothetical) they’ll continue the program.
Starmer has already said they wouldn’t go through with the Rwanda plan
Starmer’s shadow cabinet - including Yvette Cooper, shadow home secretary - have simply asserted the program is “too expensive”. That’s their sole opposition to the new rule. Not that they won’t go through with it, but that they don’t want to pay for it.
Yeah, and there’s a fair amount of money behind this push…which like…I’m not American, don’t live in the States, but my sister and her wife do…and I’ve gotta figure out how to get them the fuck out if things go Trump again…
Edit: also, living in the UK I run into loads of people who go “Well, if Trump gets in again, that’s not really our problem…” but like…the USA makes they’re problems everyone’s problem. And another Trump presidential term would be a huge problem for the rest of the world…
Yeah, I’ve been following UK politics by way of TrashFuture podcast and I gotta say… your immigration plan is to deport people to Rwanda and your government just endorsed a Trans-Panic Committee to decide whether teenagers can consent to gender-affirming care.
And these are the moderate Labour Party positions. Liz Truss wants to do worse.
God damn, dude. Finding the worst people to run the country is not a competition. You can just let the Yanks have this one.
They look at our right wing propaganda machine to see what “works.” They also get the added “benefit” of our toxic sludge that is online political discourse to feed off of. They don’t need new issues as they have a repository of shit to pick from…
Why does Americas #2 export need to be toxic right wing bullshit…
Wait, what’s #1? It’s freedom, right?
It’s “the news”.
Its how we get our hooks into you, so we can dissolve your NHS and replace it with our vastly more profitable private health care system.
I’m only here on a marriage visa, I’m not a P.R or citizen yet, so I’m not allowed to vote against having these bigots and con-men in power. Also, while labour is somewhat moderate, the Tories are in power, and they’re a bunch of fucking nut jobs. Labour can’t decide what they stand for anymore, which means they will stand for nothing, and the rest of the available parties will never get to power again. The available options are shit, just like in the States. And the Yanks think they invented having a shit government, but lemme tell you, the Brits have been fucking up their own government and foreign governments for a lot longer the the US has been a thing.
As a yank who’s followed British politics for a while, I wouldn’t blame labour’s bullshit on the tories. They seem to have done the same thing in response to thatcher that the Dems did to Reagan “ok sure we can be the neutral centrist party, we’ll be conservative while you be regressive”. When I see actual left wing ideas coming out of the UK it’s either from your queer folks, a small and vulnerable actual left wing, or from the SNP. Even now with the tories wildly unpopular Labour seems to be taking the attitude of “we should reach across the aisle and offer to do what they propose”.
But you are right we learned how to govern from two sources, you and the Iroquois confederacy, and the Iroquois functioned (they still do, but they did then too).
Yeah, I’m Canadian buddy.
Edit: I’m not disagreeing with anything you said, just to tired to formulate a proper response, might come back to this tomorrow.
In a similar situation here in NZ. On a perm resident visa through partnership, can’t vote, keenly interested in being on my best behaviour here. Labour wasn’t amazeballs, but the current coalition is like watching a pack of dogs with diarrhoea tear through a quiet town. You just know it’ll be on someone else to clean up after them.
The Rwanda asylum scheme is and has been a Tory plan from its inception, and has never been endorsed by Labour. I’m not familiar with the TrashFuture podcast, but can recommend Pod Save the UK if you’re in the market for UK politics pods.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/24/labour-could-keep-sunaks-rwanda-policy-successful/
Pretty big stretch to call that any kind of endorsement, don’t you think?
It’s cowardly triangulation intended to straddle the issue, rather than denounce the policy.
It was explicitly a hypothetical thought experiment. Starmer has already said they wouldn’t go through with the Rwanda plan, even if it did somehow prove effective. That’s all stated plainly in the article you linked (from the Telegraph!). It really seems like you’re just doubling down in the face of the evidence, rather than admitting to having made an incorrect statement.
By the presumed future minister in charge. If boat crossings to the UK fall following implementation of Rwanda deportations (more a gamble than a hypothetical) they’ll continue the program.
Starmer’s shadow cabinet - including Yvette Cooper, shadow home secretary - have simply asserted the program is “too expensive”. That’s their sole opposition to the new rule. Not that they won’t go through with it, but that they don’t want to pay for it.
The UK gets whatever the US gets, it just sometimes lags by a few years depending on how long it takes for the US to excrete it over here.
As seen with all the decisions made by the Tories over the last decade.
While that’s partly true, Boris was your own fault. Let’s just blame the Australians.
Rupert Murdoch and his consequences have been a disaster for the anglosphere
Yeah we’ll take the uk and Canada down with us. Honestly probably the EU and we’ll try for Russia as well
I doubt even Trump can fuck the UK harder than its fucking itself rn.