cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/14905603
Gaza mass grave: Almost 400 bodies have been found, says Palestinian Civil Defense | CNN
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/14905603
Gaza mass grave: Almost 400 bodies have been found, says Palestinian Civil Defense | CNN
That’s what Nazis said when reports of mass graves in Germany came!
I think the Nazis were proud of what they did and owned it up.
But I agree that discrediting the discovery of the mass grave in Gaza is going to take more than the rhetoric of ‘bullshit terrorist propaganda’. Israel at this point is leaning too much on people’s sympathy when Hamas did the initial attack.
Israel could let in an independent investigation if they truly believed that this is “propaganda that could easily be debunked.” Hamas has already said they will fully cooperate with it.
But israel doesn’t want to. Wonder why…
Israel probably knows that there are no takers for their delusions. But appearances are more important than the truth in this crooked world order.
In Germany now this is called “Holocaust denial” and it’s a crime.
As much a some Nazi will deny a genocide, some pro Israel extremists will deny they learned from Nazis how to commit a genocide
Holocaust denial is a post-Nazi (after 1945) phenomenon, isn’t it? Or did the original Nazis ever do that as well?
Denial happens all times, not only in Holocaust.
The nazis also went to Warsaw Ghetto and gave once a dinner to starving Jews and made a movie out of it to prove to their population that they were treated well and were complaining for nothing.
But if you want something specific, you can look on the site below, which starts with denials beginning 1942:
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/holocaust-denial-key-dates
A small excerpt:
*1942–44 To conceal the evidence of their annihilation of Europe’s Jews, Germans and their collaborators destroy evidence of mass graves at the Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka killing centers, and at thousands of sites of mass shooting operations throughout German-occupied Poland, the German-occupied Soviet Union, and Serbia, including Babi Yar, in an operation code named Aktion 1005.
1943 In a speech to SS Generals at Poznan, Heinrich Himmler, Reich Leader (Reichsführer) of the SS (Schutzstaffel; Protection Squadrons), remarks that the mass murder of the European Jews will be kept secret, never to be recorded.*
Which just shows you the level of intelligence the Nazis were working with.
“Hey, you guys took over Europe and millions of Jews living there just vanished! What happened to them?”
“Uh… um… aliens?”
The goal is not to proof that they didn’t do it, or even to make it the rational assumption that they didn’t do it.
The goal is to muddy the water just enough, so some people can subscribe to “it’s complicated” (note how we hear that one a lot these days) or “innocent until proven guilty! And where is the convictions?!” By gaining the information advantage, they effectively demobilize actions towards prevention before or prosecution after. Also it gives just enough wiggle room, so allies can continue to support and opponents struggle to muster definite action.
This game is played expertly by the US, by Russia, by Israel, and China, and used to be played by the Nazis, Pinochet, UDSSR and many more.
It is crucial to collect evidence and it is crucial to never relent demanding investigation and prosecution. Otherwise we’ll get some historians in a hundred years writing a book about everything that happened and everybody will just be like “a well that was ages ago now, wasn’t it?”
The nazi party used a lot of euphemism surrounding their genocide plan and a lot of german citizens claimed afterwards they didn’t know the extent of it (davon haben wir nichts gewusst), but the antisemitism was immediately visible obviously what with the kidnapping. The camps—a bit less so, but a lot of historians feel they were more of an open secret than a secret. It was definitely less globally visible than what’s happening in Palestine though and the international community was justifiably outraged when they saw the extent and brutality of the camps.