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  • this depends on your definition of pay to win itself, as a looter shooter, the loop of the game is
    kill mob–>gain loot –>repeat
    there is no win condition in destiny 2, which means by definition you can not have pay to win.
    However that changes if your win condition is gaining loot.
    If my win condition is gaining better loot, then speeding up the acquisition of loot is by definition paying to win.
    You can sit there and say there is no pay to win by definition, but by the same metric, nearly all mobile games sit in the no pay to win category as well.
    It’s a slippery slope, and saying “Paying to skip content or getting preorder bonuses isn’t pay to win.” is no different than saying “My father gave me a small loan of a million dollars”.
    Technically both true to the person speaking, but to the rest of us, not so much.


    1. a lot of mods are locked behind rank seven, which is a forced season buy just to get them, even if you have all the dlc’s,

    2. dungeons are not included in seasonal content, you have to buy them separately

    3. you can buy a campaign skip so you don’t have to grind

    4. pre-orders of the lightfall DLC gave access to an exclusive exotic months in advance

    5. you can complete the season pass, which includes equipment drops and exp boosts day one, with money, ofc,

    it goes on and on, it’s fully pay to win at this point, and only getting worse