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But I’m sure the Telegraph, the Tory newspaper, can find an HKer to say otherwise and give legitimacy to their drivel.

May I ask what exactly your strategy for obtaining reliable information about what is going on in China is? Western media apparently cannot be trusted categorically. And information within China is heavily censored and tightly controlled (which is also why the previously made argument that we haven’t heard from her family is entirely insufficient, because from the outside the family not wanting to reach out and them wanting to reach out but not daring to look exactly the same). It’s obviously not an ideal situation because every side of the story has its own biases and one side systematically and thoroughly shielding information doesn’t exactly make it easier to discern the truth.

Also fwiw, I didn’t know the Telegraph has a paywall ( I didn’t see any such thing) and the initial report I read about it was from a different site, which wasn’t in English though.

I trust Chinese police know what they’re doing and aren’t just detaining people left and right for whatever reason.

So in other words, you are basing it off of nothing other than that you assume beforehand that they have a valid justification to do what they are doing. That seems awfully uncritical of police and authority imo.

Do you honestly believe there is absolutely zero abuse of authoritarian practices within China? And if you don’t, how can you discern what is or isn’t an illegitimate use, if you already reject any potential reports going in that direction outright? I don’t understand how you can think that’s a useful approach to getting informed.


And ascribing an attitude to me out of the blue without possibly having anything to go by to back it up is what exactly? Seriously, what kind of argumentative style is that? You’re making baseless claims and then are using those claims as justification to call me insencere.


Again, the UK having or not an agenda doesn’t automatically invalidate any concerns that might exist.

Also I would like to ask you to refrain from insinuations, questioning of my character or motives or any of that bullshit. I’m trying to have a somewhat sincere discussion here.

" I think China had more than enough probable cause "

And would that be in your opinion?


I would appreciate it if you could stay on topic and refrain from whataboutism. The UK possibly being hypocritical doesn’t automatically invalidate the fact that a person missing might be a concern.

And yes, making people vanish without a trace, is how Chinese authorities is how Chinese authorities have repeatedly operated. You can of course always argue about whether criminal charges are justified becase those things always involve hidden information, making it very easy to point fingers withot being disproven. But to claim Chinese authlorities don’t act like that is just counterfactual.


It’s been almost a week, it’s been directly before she was about to leave for her studies, she’s not the only one missing and has been detained for months before. Generally, I’d prefer if you could refrain from the hyperbolic framing.



Human rights groups fear both have been detained by Chinese authorities, likely due to their activism, and could face a charge of “inciting subversion of state authority” for hosting private gatherings.