And then treats them like trash. He constantly misgenders one of them and is actively supporting a government that is making them have to flee the country. What a wonderful dad…

Understandable, it’s all a matter of perspective. There’s no ideal way of democracy and any way has it’s pros and cons. I’d say that overall my gripe is a somewhat minor one but it does lead to big issues sometimes, especially during election times because the biggest party gets first dibs on creating the government. More fragmentation on your side of the political spectrum (left vs. right) can therefore lead to splintering of the votes and losing out on being the biggest.

This is more or less what happened last time. The leftist parties tried to prevent it by joining forces shortly before the election but the amount of leftist parties we have still meant that votes were somewhat splintered; that is (among other factors) how we ended up with another right-wing government after people clearly seemed to be done with over 10 years of right-wing Rutte politics.

I’d love to be able to vote for some fringe leftist party knowing I’ll not waste my vote

But in a way it will. Many of these fringe parties never have a chance to make it into the government and will forever be in the opposition, meaning their impact isn’t very big. The PVV started off like this as well and their leader, Geert Wilders, has only ever wanted to be the person shouting at stuff from the opposition side of the fence. Even now, when he has the biggest party, they had to come up with some wicked solution where he’s not the PM and not in the government itself. Instead, it’s a neutral PM with some ministers and everyone else is in the opposition and constantly criticising their own “government”. It’s ridiculous and so far they haven’t gotten much done.

In my opinion, a cutoff of 5% is a bit high but I also think that parties should have more than 1 seat to even make it into the chamber, otherwise it’ll turn into a mess real quick.

People who voted for Trump lack the ability of foresight and can’t be concerned until it directly affects them. Otherwise they don’t care and will probably cheer as their neighbors get deported.

Just make sure not to take it too far if you do proportional voting. We have a system in the Netherlands that works like that but the result is that we now also have about 30 parties running for government, most of them being fairly pointless. Don’t get me wrong, it’s better than the US shenanigans but you can also go too far.

And there will still be delusional voters saying that shit isn’t going to hit the fan the second Trump takes over. It’s insane how far up their own ass they are. At this rate it honestly wouldn’t surprise me if he tries to arrest Biden the second he hands over the reigns.

It’s a lot more difficult to blame things on others once you’ve been in charge for that long and shit still fails and breaks down. That’s my hope for other countries as well, that the continued downward spiral under a right wing government eventually makes the pendulum swing back towards the left. I just hope that there’ll be politicians to jump in once the opportunity arises.

You can’t simply call it a Democrat boogeyman when it’s universally supported (and in some cases even authored) by the people that are most likely going to be in Trumps government. That’s the same as saying that it’s fine to have Hitler in charge of defense as long as the president is (initially) distancing himself from it.

If anything, I’d be worried about it even more if I was such a big Trump fan as you. What if the people that do support project 2025 make sure Trump dies shortly after becoming president just so they can fully take over? Have you thought about that?

Okay, guess you’ll find out then. I’m definitely glad that I’m just an observer from the EU if there’s people over there that are straight up thinking nothing will happen and that it’s all media nonsense. I do still feel bad for the innocent people that will get sweeped up in this but not people like you.

It’s also the fact that many people in his inner circle have even come out since the election results came out to say that they’re going to enact it (Vance, Bannon and some others). Even if Trump tries to block it he’ll l just randomly die in his sleep one night and then Vance and his creeps take over fully.

People who voted for Trump are laughing at how dramatic some of the celebrities and people online are being, not realizing that those people are the smart ones. If I’d have been living in the US (which could have happened but luckily I’m still in my home country in Europe) I would for sure at least try to move to a democrat state but if possible I’d leave the country entirely. Shits about to go down. You can always come back later but it’s best to try and get out before the orange man actually takes charge and starts making life much more difficult.

A lot of the rest of the world has either been voting their Bernies away or is in the process to do so. Right wing populism is taking over many other countries as well, just look at Europe. Almost all countries here have either right wing governments or are drifting towards it at the moment.

It’s so funny to me how a lot of the people that voted for Trump seem to think it’ll not be that bad. Dude, he literally told you ALL of his plans. Even if only half of it goes through it’s still going to get significantly harder for most people. How can you willingly vote for that?

I’m over in the Netherlands but I have in-laws in the USA and many of them either didn’t vote or voted republican according to my partner. I tried my best convincing them to at least vote but it’s pointless, many people believe that it doesn’t matter who you vote for because the secret elite in the background will determine the result anyway.

I honestly feel sick to even be in-law related to Trump voters and it’s really making me not want to talk to those people ever again. It’s hard to realize that much of her family is heavily reliant on medication for various conditions (diabetes, heart disease, painkillers, etc) and that it’ll most likely get much harder for them once Trump takes office and starts destroying Obamacare again.

The difference is that Europe should be more capable of resisting America. We’ll see if that actually happens but given how things have gone before when the EU went after American companies I don’t think they’ll budge easily.

I think some people never learn, especially the people that have their heads so far up their own asses that they only hear the FOX propaganda shouting.

Man, nothing’s allowed anymore these days, better vote Trump to get muh freedom back /s

It’s truly crazy how much of the more rural parts of the US are basically a third world country

Unless they change the rules, Trump cannot have another term. I’d honestly be surprised if he survives all the way until 2028 anyway, he’s already ancient and pretty unhealthy. Add to that that people might try and take matters into their own hands and you get a pretty dangerous mix. I’m not sure if JD stepping in would be better though, he seems even crazier and definitely more insidious than the orange man.

As a Dutch person we’d happily welcome the more sensible Americans over here 🙂. I can’t guarantee our government wouldn’t try to stop a mass migration wave given their anti-immigrant policies though.

It’s funny, my partner and I were actually talking about moving to the US for a while to spend more time with my American in-laws but I think that’ll be out of the window for the next four years.

I’d say most north eastern EU countries (Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, most of Scandinavia) is safe right now. The Netherlands (where I live) has been right-leaning for a while now and even though it got worse this past election the focus is mainly on nationallism and anti-immigrant policies at the moment.