Meta-comment: I made an edit significantly after submitting my other reply. Didn’t want to bifurcate the discussion by putting its content in this comment, but don’t know if you’d already read the other one. So this is just to let you know about the update in case you’ve already marked it as read.

I’m not sure if an email gets sent if the user registers with one.

It does not.

It’s about publishing an anarchist children’s book. How do you think that doesn’t have to do with socialism? Anarchism is a socialist tendency, after all (perhaps excepting post-leftsts and some others who eschew such labels). One of the most historically popular socialist tendencies, in fact.

The reason I’m here is because this is the fourth time I’ve been involved in chats with moderators about what to do with you. Help me out here, because many people don’t seem to like the way you’re behaving.

Pushing back on liberalism—and particularly its attack on the left—is, indeed, going to piss off a lot of liberals. Notice how in this conversation all I had to do was mention that I hope someone runs in the Green Party for ballot access, and that I will probably vote for them, in order for someone to go on the attack. Should I just start reporting that shit when it happens? Will you ban this moderator if I report them instead of clapping back? Is that how I get the authorities on this server to stop siding with the liberals for being liberal?

In terms of helping you, I’ll also refer back to your own statement:

Realistically, if someone is intolerant to you, we’re not going to tone police you for responding in kind.

This, right here, looks an awful lot like tone policing to me, when there’s a hell of a lot of actual content and argument I made above in response to a liberal being insulting when I said I will vote for someone other than a Democrat. Perhaps being an admin of a site like this isn’t a great fit for folks who want to grease squeaky wheels and discipline anyone who disagrees with a moderator or with some of the general user base of a community.

Or, if that’s too challenging a line to walk, IDK maybe Beehaw should just ban political discussion and go to straight cat pics and hobbies. That’s unfortunately what a lot of families and professional environments come to when they can’t handle matters getting heated over literal life-and-death issues.

EDIT: I forgot to address the “de-escalation” part. They escalated above. Then they actually escalated in the same comment where they decided to bail. That is the very comment where they claimed I am “trying to combat fascism on philosophical terms”. Then they didn’t even just check out, but threatened me as a moderator with “consequences”. You seriously call that “de-escalating”? Is “de-escalation” to you just a cheap way to get the last word and tell someone that they are superficial and order them to shut the fuck up? (Taking notes as a moderator of /c/socialism myself, by the way. “What’s good for the goose,” I guess…)

No? I continued an exchange where that mod had already replied to me. (Didn’t even realize they were a mod until they threatened me with “consequences” further on, by the way.)

Did you also miss the point that the mod was being just as insulting, from the start? I literally just pointed it out in the comment you replied to.

Did you miss where that moderator “assumed malicious negative intent” from me? Here, I’ll help:

You’re prioritizing economic systems over people.

Did you miss where I did, indeed, try to educate them? Let me help: every comment I’ve made. You might, in particular, like the part where I started with:

For the love of all that is humane, read Fascism and Big Business by Daniel Guerin. YOU are buying into exactly that repeat of history…

You banned me for 7 days (I guess—see below) for exactly the same kind of shit, and you’re really bad at judging these situations. But it’s good I have Big Brother admin stalking my comments to see if I follow the dictates of civility. Very cool.

EDIT: BTW, the only indication of being banned is that you can’t login; it just silently fails, as if there’s some kind of problem submitting the page. And then going to your own profile and seeing “banned” across the top. And no indication of whether it’s temporary or permanent, and no message from the system about why. Just FYI for when you do it again.

Look, my take is that you are trying to combat fascism on philosophical terms

I mention direct action vs. you wanting to rely on electoralism and yet you claim I am the one “combating on philosophical terms”. Ironic.

more likely to ending up with Republicans having power.

This is why you have voted for fascists and will continue to do so. You believe they are constrained to a single party, and that the other liberals aren’t supporting them in nearly everything they do. Again, educate yourself. You referenced the 1930s, yet you clearly have not studied how fascism actually operated then. Or how it operates now.

We don’t seem to be seeing things eye-to-eye, and you don’t seem to be able to hold this conversation without ad hominem attacks, so I’m going to check out.

I see you don’t know what an ad hominem attack is. Everything I’ve said here is related to the content of your arguments. Criticism of your ignorance and ideology and how they manifest in your comments is not ad hominem. Pointing out how you support fascism by the agenda you are pushing and the very way you’ve implied you vote isn’t ad hominem. At least if you’re going to threaten people for calling you out, have some understanding of the accusations you are making of them first.

You’re right, that I haven’t been respectful in the sense of civility politics. But that started with you, shitting on anyone (including myself) who doesn’t vote for your favorite brand of the uni-party. My vote isn’t a “protest vote”, and yeah: fuck you for being disrespectful enough to call it that. Better start by banning yourself.

You’re prioritizing economic systems over people.

This is a pretty moronic statement. The choice of economic system is fundamental to if and how you prioritize people. The choice of capitalism is literally the choice to not prioritize people, but to prioritize property, and the interests of those who have power and will protect and hoard that property.

That’s my problem with voting for third parties in light of fascism echoing the 1920s and 30s.

You should honestly actually learn something about the rise of fascism in Nazi Germany and fascist Italy. For the love of all that is humane, read Fascism and Big Business by Daniel Guerin. YOU are buying into exactly that repeat of history you are using to fearmonger. Other, less reactionary liberals were absolutely instrumental to giving the fascist liberals power in both places, as they have proven over and over and over and over again that they will always do. There was—and is—absolutely no electoral or even legal solution to the problem of fascism. Literally the only thing that could have—and should have—stopped the fascists was organized labor and an organized left taking violent, direct action against them (Hitler and Goebbels both even admitted this explicitly).

While you are busy attacking the left—exactly as fascists do—and protecting those liberals who are literally upholding fascism (which is already here and has been for a long time), some of us are promoting the only thing that will save us from it: organizing, taking actual action, building liberation movements, and using liberal electoralism for the only good thing it can accomplish for the working class: getting people’s attention and broadcasting the messages that’ll get them to wake up, toss it in the bin, and move on to doing shit that’ll directly improve our lives.

Also, while you weren’t looking, you literally voted for a fascist in the last presidential election. Gotta love the promoting and subjugating oneself to Mussolini to save oneself from Hitler galaxy-brained liberal strategy of self-preservation.

The Green Party hasn’t even succeeded in having a candidate elected to the U.S. House of Representatives

And?

they show up for presidential elections, and that’s about it. They don’t do much work in the “off-season.”

Incorrect. The GP has run candidates in thousands of city, county, and state elections. Heck, in the last California state primaries they ran a “unity slate” with the Peace and Freedom party and had candidates for like 2/3 or 3/4 of the positions on my ballot.

A vote for the presidential candidate of the Green Party at this point is a protest vote.

Stupid, liberal phrasing. Don’t give a shit if this is what you call it, or how you’ve been told to think. The only wasted vote is one more voice for the continued monopoly of capital, and that’s obviously exactly what you do every single election.

Again, incivility to a single user is a no-no, but incivility to anyone and everyone present who might not support Democrats is absolutely a-ok, apparently.

And the liberals’ comments were removed because they were in the comment tree under my own reply, and the whole thing was removed.

Then the original comment I replied to should have been removed. Fuck that original commenter, and fuck you, for blaming the working class’s conditions on anyone not willing to vote for Democrats. That creates a toxic and unwelcoming community, and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Oops. Guess I didn’t knuckle under to your demand for civility; also liberal as hell.

Then the original comment I replied to should have been removed. Fuck that original commenter, fuck the mod, and by extension fuck your for blaming the working class’s conditions on anyone not willing to vote for Democrats. That creates a toxic and unwelcoming community, and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Oops. Guess I didn’t knuckle under to your demand for civility; also liberal as hell.

I don’t give a fuck about “splitting the Dem vote”. One reactionary mainstream party down is one reactionary mainstream party down. But yeah: this dweeb ain’t it. If shitty, counter-factual beliefs about vaccines weren’t enough, the political dynasty of his family should at least push people over the edge here.

Glad Cornel West is running, and hope he winds up with the Green nomination so he has a chance at decent ballot access. Unless the GP has an even better, more radical leftist in mind like Howie Hawkins again. He was the nominee of at least two leftist parties last time around, and I’d love to see those parties doing more of the same, like the “left unity slate” a couple of them did in California last year. Good stuff.

Under rent control, we simply make landlord’s lives a little more inconvenient in a system that still expects them to exist.

Yes, landlords will survive. It’s more important to focus on the material impact it has on renters, which is much greater. Everything to keep one of our basic necessities from becoming even more unaffordable. Everything to give us more protections. Everything to drive down the cost of housing and land and living. When owners complain about shit driving down their property values, we should be applauding!

Rent control is good. Abolishing landlords is even better. Making housing a human right is better still. De-commodifying land entirely and putting it back into the control of communities—and indigenous communities especially (who decisions over land have been stripped from even more completely than the general case)—is chef’s kiss.

Actually yes. If my neighbor openly, to my face, celebrated the state murdering hundreds of thousands of people in war, I would absolutely challenge them on it just like above. And I have, in fact. I see you’re more interested in civility politics than any kind of justice, so yeah: maybe it is time to fuck off and find some instance with people who have empathy and principles. Thanks for the “warning”.

The original comment was yours…

Wrong. Here is the bit of the original comment—still unremoved and not mine, but the one I replied to—which shits on anyone who doesn’t vote for Democrats, and anyone who knows enough about other political philosophies to know the two liberal mainstream U.S. political brands are basically identical in all but rhetoric (so yeah, that user “included an attack onto everyone who doesn’t thing like [them]” as you so helpfully put it).

i swear, you have either be super out of touch with the people actively under threat by republicans or putting your principles over the lives of actual people to even begin equating the two parties. work on utopian political projects every other day of the year, build movements to affect broader social change, but i swear if you end up not voting blue during one of the most precarious moments of this shithole’s democracy what comes next is worse for all of us.

Does that help clarify things for you? I hope so, because you’d honestly have to be willfully misreading things if not.

I love escalating war and feeding more working-class people to the meat grinder for the sake of capitalists and nationalism.

Uh huh. Your country, too, fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian, I see.

From a meta point of view, sounds like you started the antagonistic comment tree

Wrong. The original comment was antagonistic toward any and all users (as well as the broader population) who didn’t vote the way the liberal wanted them to. I guess it’s okay to be antagonistic toward a whole segment of a community, but being “antagonistic” back to a single user who’s doing that…that is a no-no.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think some of the moderation philosophy docs address favoring deescalation and disengagement, as opposed to escalation, even when it is "in kind’.

I’ll quote @Gaywallet, Beehaw admin and OP of this thread (and, probably, the linked document) here:

Realistically, if someone is intolerant to you, we’re not going to tone police you for responding in kind.

Whatever “realistic” means here, I guess. But it sounds a great deal like responding “in kind”, as you put it, isn’t fundamentally something that’s expected to be moderated against. Allegedly, at least.

So the lesser of two evils it is.

So…which of those evils does your government fund and arm, by chance?

It’s in good faith. Follow the link. Check that community’s modlog if the big tree of removed comments isn’t sufficient.

TL;DR - OC shit on people who don’t vote for Democrats. I replied saying the current state of affairs is thanks to people like them who vote for mainstream parties, with the same kind of snark they used against the implied target of anyone who doesn’t vote or votes third-party. The mod removal based on “needlessly antagonistic” started with me—the leftist—and left alone the reactionary liberal who blamed leftists and working-class voters for the state of U.S. politics. Removing whole conversation trees for the sake of people who want to defend the honor of Democrats looks an awful lot like a liberal “sanitized space”, I’d say.

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