I will have to wait and see, but if it competes with high-end hardware on PC in terms of 4K support and high framerates I think €800 is pretty reasonable. I see people online claiming that it should’ve been like €600 or maybe €650. But a RTX4080 GPU alone is more expensive than that already, and it’s not even top of the line. But if you want advanced raytracing, maxed out settings and 4K you’ll definitely need something in that price range of GPUs at minimum.

People don’t *NEED *to upgrade to the PS5 Pro, it seems more like an alternative for people who already own 4K TVs and want to make better use of it. I’d be more annoyed about the lack of a disc drive.

That said, I think the real issue is if developers start abandoning the original PS5 hardware in favor of the new ones and start getting lazy and stop optimising their games for the older PS5. Which would in fact make the upgrade to a Pro almost mandatory if you want to keep playing at reasonable framerates.

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It’s not exclusive to MMO games or anything. Although I do get the addiction of MMO games, I still play WoW but I used to have phases of playing it at unhealthy amounts of time (like over 12 years ago), but only as long as I could afford throwing money away.

The amount of times I’ve seen beggars show up on social media when a new game launches is ridiculous. Like dude, if you can’t afford gaming then you should seriously have other priorities in liffe, and probably spend the time you’d game on more productive things. Like work, to be able to afford stuff like gaming in the first place.

Thing is that isn’t true for everyone, I am done with games like CoD and FIFA, but a huge majority of players is not. Hence why these games keep selling just fine.

They can, difference is a vast majority of people don’t want to buy/build a PC, or deal with a PC setup in general, they just want to press one button to make it work and sit on the couch. So the easy option for them is buying a console, it’s plug and play, while a PC requires quite some setup.

I’m not saying that exclusives didn’t play a part entirely, but even when the PS5 was hard to get by it was still cheaper than the Xbox that were in stock (where I live).

Despite the low amount of exclusive games it would still be an easy pick to get a PS5 instead, if people decided to upgrade at some point. And since a lot of cross-platform/console games were still coming out on the old consoles for a while there was little reason to get an Xbox instead of a PS if they wanted a new console right then right there.

The difference is the price of buying discs vs. buying from a digital store that has no competitors.

I’ve bought almost exclusively second-hand discs for my PS5, because they’re like half the price for the exact same content.

Sadly it’ll probably be just a matter of time before those will be phased out as well, one way or another.

It was pretty much a given that this would happen, since there were already options with and without disc drives.

And obviously sooner or later gaming will probably move to an entirely online service like streaming.

It’s just a matter of time until the internet and worldwide coverage is ready for it. I always imagined that in a distant future we’d basically only buy a controller, that connects to an app that’ll let you stream. And every game will be in a subscription service like a Netflix.

Yeah I’m afraid that stuff like GTA6 might run like absolute dogshit on the old PS5, because they will see the opportunity to make use of the better hardware to sell the 4K and 60FPS. No doubt even Sony will try to push this, trying to sell more of these Pros.

I do hope we will move forward, but I think money and greed will play too much of a role in this. We don’t even really need a PS5 Pro right now, looking at the current line-up of games that run fine on the old PS5, even in 4K and 60FPS, as long as developers spend the time to optimise their games instead of throwing everything on to raytracing (which I find is still in a very experimental phase).

Depending on how much you care about visuals, yeah.

A decent GPU will often be the price of an entire console. That said, even if you go with high-end hardware I found that eventually the cost will make up for itself for not having to pay for PSN to make use of and play on the internet. Or the fact that games are very often priced up to 50% more on the PS store than those on PC because there are no competing stores.

Frankly that’s just thinking with only PS5 exclusives in mind.

A lot of people, probably the vast majority, don’t get an Xbox or PlayStation for the exclusives. They just get one because they don’t own or want a gaming PC and look for the easier more accessible solution.

So to them the catalogue is just fine because they don’t get the console just for the exclusives.

Not sure what the point of downvoting me is, but I’d rather be interested to hear people’s counter-arguments instead. Because a lot of people seem to just assume that many console-owners have both a console and gaming PC.

The price increase is insane. That does not seem to scale in comparison with what you’ll get in return over a regular PS5, especially if you’re gonna be forced to buy the digital editions from the PS store, which are outside of the sales often the most expensively priced versions too, I’ve practically only bought second-hand discs for my PS5 because of that.

So either games will start running at higher framerates on real 4K, like 60FPS and up. Or developers will get lazy and stop bothering to optimise for the older generation of PS5, which will then be an excuse to upgrade to the more expensive edition to play at 4K and/or 60FPS.

I really hope the latter won’t be a thing for the sake of both players and game development, there’s been enough unoptimised shit lately and I hope we can move forward again.

Damn what a shame. Even though he was never on screen in Star Wars, he is still the most iconic actor just because of his voice.

Why?

It’s a €70 10-hour-ish game, DLC like that better be free lol

I don’t think the “average household” has a dishwashing machine lol, at least not where I live.

It’s one of those typical games that I tried because the entire world was lyrical about it, including grown adults. Figured I gave it a shot (as a grown adult myself) and it was indeed during the time we had fuck all to do. Didn’t like the game at all and frankly didn’t see the appeal of it either, it’s fine if people enjoy that kind of gameplay, but it was the most bland and “do your daily chores”-game I’ve ever played. It’s baffling how something so stale was regarded so highly.

There are no bad takes, they’re personal preference. Not everyone likes the same game or genre.

I know people who play Football Manager and Diablo religiously. While I enjoyed Odyssey for a while. Also tons of people still play Mario Kart 8, it’s a fun game for the right audience (not me).

Love the game, but stealth definitely was pretty punishing right at the start of the game. That said, it became incredibly easy with the upgrades/unlocks progressing throughout the game, even a bit too easy. Frankly I hope upcoming nerfs don’t make it even easier later in the game.

I think the best solution for early gameplay would be to give a window of opportunity to react to getting caught. this is also an upgrade (Fast Talker or something like that), so you can send Nix to distract the guy. Perhaps it would be as simple as to have that ability unlocked by default.

Add a few more checkpoint saves throughout, or simply an option to save in more places since it’s usually disabled in places you sneak about, and I think most issues around stealth would be fixed.