• RagingRobot@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    That’s true but peoples wages haven’t gone up at a rate that keeps pace so everyone still feels poor and can’t buy the things they need. That’s the big issue. That’s not been fixed and there is no plan to fix it. Now we all just have to wait around until our wages start to increase but we all know how long that takes.

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      11 months ago

      The problem is that there is no way to fix it without fucking shit up worse. Attempting to create deflation is bad for everyone as the economy will stop growing which will lead to job loss. A recession is another way to get it done, but then that would require high levels of unemployment, and still won’t bring prices down.

      We’re seeing the best possible outcome right now where inflation is down and wages are rising faster than it, and housing prices are coming down, meaning we are on track for the issue of unaffordability to go away. The Fed seems to have pulled off what most people thought was impossible: a soft landing.

      We’re possibly witnessing something absolutely amazing. This is not to detract from the struggles people are experiencing, but the fact that they don’t recognize how much better off they are then how it could have been is disappointing.

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      11 months ago

      When I read the Forbes link I provided, I see that wages kept place with inflation for the last 2 and a half years. When I look at the news, I see unions getting wage consessions. Inflation was a factor, but that’s been mitigated

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        11 months ago

        You’re speaking as if the majority of American workers are in a union.

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            11 months ago

            Yes but when union membership is only at 10% what impact are you really talking about nationwide?

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              11 months ago

              The 10% of union wages should still impact the rest of the industry, so the 10% of the workforce getting raises and concessions will force other companies to increase wages or benefits, even if it isn’t as much as the unions’ increases.

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                11 months ago

                Rapidcreek was attempting to make the case that working class conditions are stable and rising. His points of union gains ignore vast swaths of people’s material reality. Unions gaining ground in the past year is a great point, one I am not denying, however those gain are a very small fraction of the already small fraction of unionized workers.

                Many of the contracts left many workers out of improvements. The UPS contract won by Teamsters for example was very vocal about how it ended a two tier pay scale system, but in reality it just created a new one for part time workers hired after the contract was signed. That’s not to diminish from the gains made, but UPS’s current model requires a huge segment of their work force to be part time, as they have high volume rush periods where inbound/outbound needs to be recieved/shipped quickly as their floor space cannot accommodate the volume. Those part time workers are essential so why should they be payed at a lower scale than full time employees? Many of those part time workers aren’t as involved in union organizing and Teamsters have done a poor job bringing them into the fold, so when they vault their 85% approval of the contract, they neglect to mention what percentage didn’t participate.

                That is one example of how many of the gains won aren’t what they appear at face value. Mainstream media also does a poor job reporting these nuances in labor fights. So again yes things are improving, but definitely not for everyone and it’s not the rosy picture Rapidcreek was trying to paint.

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        11 months ago

        You mean the paywalled link and the gaslighting CNBC article? The government’s own numbers put median wage increase vs inflation at -8 for the 2021-2023 period.