• pup_atlas@pawb.social
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    11 months ago

    The problem isn’t that their random is biased or has rules, the is that it is entirely deterministic, to the point where it will play the same exact songs, in the same exact order for days. It’s as if shuffle just activates a hidden “shuffle” playlist that only updates once a week.

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      11 months ago

      I’d guess that every time user presses “shuffle” they just shuffle the playlist and never change the order afterwards. So song order is really not random it’s shuffled

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      11 months ago

      You and I might be talking about different things.

      I mean that humans don’t like theoretically true random, as a cool side note

      You seem upset about one implementation

      Also, shuffling and having something appear near even though you throught it was shuffled is part of that finding patterns

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        11 months ago

        Yep, I know what you’re talking about, but spotify weights songs it thinks you’ll like higher than other songs, and with big playlists it really is a noticeable problem. There are services that shuffle the order of your playlist, so then in spotify you play it with spotifys shuffle turned off, and yes there are “patterns” that I notice (one song I had in their twice, I think like a single version and album version, was right next to itself), but at least I actually hear songs I haven’t heard in a long time, and I don’t get the same ones regularly

      • pup_atlas@pawb.social
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        11 months ago

        Yes, that was what I was getting at. Not having true random is one thing, I understand (and like) that implementation. Apple has been doing it since the first few iPods. But Spotify “shuffle” isn’t near even, it is exactly even, as in “if you shuffle play this playlist twice two days in a row, it will play the exact same order”. Which is why people are complaining about Spotify specifically.