I was just reading about how a current Israeli war minister’s son died in combat and it made me wonder that if Israeli’s politicians who make these decisions know their family will be affected by it personally and directly, does that lend towards the suggestion that it is more likely they are making genuinely ethically and morally correct decisions to engage in war stuff given their personal skin i the game?
It would seem totally different from American politicians like Cheney who create bullshit geopolitical conflicts knowing full well their progeny will never be touched by it…
Edit: I’m assuming they actually care/give a shit about their offspring and family, even if only just for appearences
Are you talking about the European Jewish people who dominate Israel’s political and economic establishments? Have you noticed that Netanyahu doesn’t look Ethiopian, perhaps?
No, Clyde… it’s perfectly obvious who it is that doesn’t know what it is they are talking about, and it’s the people doing apologetics for white supremacism. Ie, you.
I don’t support the state of Israel, but I hate this bullshit argument so much - where do you think the European Jews came from to Europe, and why?
They came from Israel (the region, not the state, which didn’t exist then) which they were expelled from, over generations, again and again, buy actual colonisers. And only wanted too return after centuries of pogroms that culminated in the holocaust, which was perpetrated by actual white supremacists.
Are racism, xenophobia, islamophobia and colourism all happening, and are influenced by white supremacy? Yes. Can Jews ever really be considered white supremacists? Not by any actual white supremacist, so no…
Is the state of Israel and the illegal settlements it supports now occupying some lands that aren’t theres and oppressing the Palestinians whos lands those are? Yes.
Should they give those lands back and let their rightful residents live on them in peace (and be willing to share the places that are culturally and historically to both)? Yes.
Is Israel an apartheid state that discriminates against its Arab citizens? Yes.
Do Palestinians deserve freedom? Yes.
Does any of this erase thousands of years of history and mean that Jews, from wherever the fuck they were expelled to in the diaspora don’t also have a rightful place on the land or are in any way comparable to actual colonisers who went to foreign lands they nor their ancestors had never set foot on and take them over? Absolutely fucking not.
More people really should actually study the history before making such ignorant claims https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_and_Judaism_in_the_Land_of_Israel
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I don´t often see reasonable and differentiated takes like yours. Must be tiring to argue right wing Israelis and Israel haters at the same time. Remember to take a break sometimes to not get burnout my dude :)
Yeah sure, you, a South African, know more than me, an Israeli, about Israel…
It’s no surprise that European Jews dominate many parts of Israeli society when you consider the fact that most Jews who came to Israel before 1948 were European (the Jewish population rapidky expanded post-1948 as Jews were driven out of Arab countries), and rich European Jews with Zionist aspirations also invested a lot of money in Israel during this period.
I know you better than you think, Clyde… we were pretty much raised drenched in the same kind of propaganda. After all… Apartheid-South Africa and Israel were besties, weren’t they? And despite the fact that the National Party took their white supremacism (and their antisemitism) straight from the nazis, too - imagine that?
Of course it isn’t! For sure! You have that in common with every other white supremacist colonialist project out of sheer coincidence… totally not because the people sitting at the top of Israel’s political and economic establishments learned their white supremacism from the best in the business - ie, the west.
You know… the west? The people who invented antisemitism right before they invented white supremacism?
“pretty much” being the key words, since the white people who colonised SA had never set foot there before nor had any history or claim to the land, while that absolutely isn’t the case for Jewish people returning to their homeland.
Neither has the Europeans who colonised Palestine and created Israel, Clyde.
European Jewish people’s “homeland” is Europe, genius. You know… the place where they were born and lived for more than a millenium before western antisemitism drove them out?
There is no valid Zionist “claim” to any part of the middle-east - never was, never has been. You might just as well “claim” Jerusalem as “western” because the Crusaders massacred it’s population once.
Do European Jews not deserve safety?
Did the Yemenese Jews who came to Israel in the early 1900s European colonizers? They came right alongside the first waves of European Jews.
Did all the Jews who fled to Israel from Arab countries European colonizers?
Are the Jews who stayed in the land of Israel all through the ages European colonizers?
You know so much more than me about this topic though I’m sure.
Do tell… why can’t they be safe in the place European Jewish people came from? You know… Europe?
Do tell… how well is non-European Jewish folk represented at the top of Israel’s economic and political establishments, eh? Maybe put on your sunglasses before checking… it’s white enough up there to burn your retinas clean off.
You answered this question yourself already. You are arguing in bad faith. There are still less Jews worldwide today than in 1939.
No, no, no, Clyde - you answer it. Tell me that the whole reason European Jewish people cannot be safe in the very place they came from is thanks to the very same states that is now flooding Israel with military funding and logistical support - states that, not coincidentally, all seem to have deep histories of antisemitism, white supremacism and colonialism.
And after that you can explain to me why Palestinians must bear the horrific cost of western antisemitism when Palestinians had absolutely nothing to do with the invention of antisemitism.
The nazis lost the war. Welcome to the world post-1945, you might want to take a look at it.