I’m confused, does he think anti-Semitism is just a natural thing for everyone that’s born not Jewish?
No, he hated Jews but believed he couldn’t be antisemitic because he was Jewish, which is pretty dumb.
Oh so he’s saying without being born Jewish, he would be considered anti-Semitic?
Yes. He still can be, he just didn’t consider himself to be so because he’s Jewish.
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Even for an organization that furthers the interests of the Israeli right over the welfare of Jewish people, they don’t seem to understand Kissinger’s legacy.
On October 6, 1973, it did. Egypt and Syria attacked occupied Sinai and the Golan Heights, respectively. Their initial success stunned Israeli officials. Defense Minister Moshe Dayan was convinced Israel might be conquered. Moreover, Israel was running out of war matériel and desperately needed to be resupplied by the U.S.
Kissinger made sure America dragged its feet, both because he wanted Israel to understand who was ultimately in charge and because he did not want to anger the oil-rich Arab states. His strategy, as another top diplomat put it, was to “let Israel come out ahead, but bleed.”
You can read this in Kissinger’s own words in the records of internal deliberations now available on the State Department website. On October 9, Kissinger told his fellow high-level officials, “My assessment is a costly victory [for Israel] without a disaster is the best.”
– On Top of Everything Else, Henry Kissinger Prevented Peace in the Middle East by Jon Schwarz
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Even in their own mythos, wouldn’t it be more like 5,000?
Shit didnt start with jesus.
“Do you find this helpful?” More like, do you find this hateful amirite. Kissinger was a criminal, but the “context” itself is ringing some anti-semitic bells.
Like that it not the context I would have added. Just do a web search of “Henry Kissinger controversy” and you’ll find plenty to actually get upset over.
Nah, ignoring Kissinger’s repeated defenses of antisemitic words and behaviors over his career just because he happened to have a Jewish mother is way more of a disservice to the Jewish diaspora imo.
Like, let’s put this quote in context,
The quote on X appears in a section of the book describing Kissinger’s attitude toward his Judaism and how his faith was viewed by Nixon. According to Kissinger, Nixon felt Jewish people “put the interests of Israel above everything else” and “that their control of the media made them dangerous allies.”
Isaacson wrote that following Israel’s violation of a 1973 ceasefire with Egypt, "Kissinger grumbled at one WSAG meeting, ‘If it were not for the accident of my birth, I would be anti-Semitic.’
"In other moments of exasperation, he would note that “any people who have been persecuted for two thousand years must be doing something wrong.'”
So, yeah, this is Kissinger saying, “Man, Israel’s such a pain in my ass right now, I totally get why people hate Jews.” That’s just a straight up defense of antisemitism and was a shitty thing to say/think.
And it’s not like this was a just a joke that landed badly, Kissinger did not give a shit about Jewish suffering.
Among his statements, one from March 1973 caused a stir when it was published in 2010. Taped in conversation with Richard Nixon soon after a meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir, Kissinger disdained the notion of pressuring the USSR about persecuted Soviet Jews, saying: “The emigration of Jews from the Soviet Union is not an objective of American foreign policy, and if they put Jews into gas chambers in the Soviet Union, it is not an American concern. Maybe a humanitarian concern.”
In 2011, hitherto secret U.S. State Department documents from late 1972 were likewise published, revealing that Kissinger was irked by the concern expressed by American Jews about the fate of Soviet Jewry, calling the former “self-serving…bastards
The man was a rat bastard fascist whose experience surviving the Holocaust just convinced him he wanted to be on the other side of the gas chamber doors.
Damn, he literally said if the Soviet Union decided to do a second Holocaust he wouldn’t really care. May he rest in piss.
Yeah Kissinger was reprehensible, no doubt. I wasn’t saying the context was untrue. Just not what I would have chosen to highlight.
Fair enough, but there’s just SO MUCH BAD to highlight. Finding it is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Problem is he’s 100% correct here. His take is more that they have not succeeded in eliminating anti-Semitism and persecution, not that Jews are inherently bad.
Kissinger was a jewish refugee from Nazi Germany, not an anti-semite.
Hate him all you want, he’s done plenty of shit to deserve it, but this “context” is straight up disinformation.
Quite frankly, the ADL commemorating him makes my blood boil. To be clear, they do some absolutely vital work combatting and monitoring hatred in the US, and I have been angered by the straight-up conspiracy theories about them. They are undoubtedly a scapegoat of a diverse swath of political movements. But between this (and Greenblatt’s recent defense of Musk), I cannot endorse them.
It seems like it’s easier to pick some prominent (often Jewish) person or organization to scapegoat than to actually confront the depths of American foreign policy, police brutality, etc. There’s no point to policing people’s anger towards Kissinger. He deserves much worse. But I cannot be fully comfortable with where it leads.
ADL has always been captured by right wing interests. I find the Southern Poverty Law Center to be much more reliable when it comes to what you think the ADL should be doing.
I donate to SPLC on occasion. I think they do good work.
There’s no point to policing people’s anger towards Kissinger.
I explicitly endorsed their anger. My issue is with the disinformation.
That wasn’t directed towards you. I endorse it as well. What I am reticent about is the disinformation and the role he plays in said dialogue.
Listen to the Behind the Bastards Podcast on him. After the war he was a prosecutor in Germany for the de-nazifaction. He strongly identified with Nazi officers and would let them off easy.
Here’s the thing, Jews can be antisemitic too, it’s internalized antisemitism. Even if he was still just saying “it’s the Jews’ fault for not having good PR” that’s not a good thing to say either. The onus shouldn’t be on Jewish people to convince others not to be bigoted and genocidal towards them. Not being bigoted and genocidal towards any group of people should be a given.
What’s one of the worst things he did, in your opinion? Also I don’t think exact quotes can be misinformation.
How about extending the Vietnam War for four years just to get Nixon elected, costing hundreds of thousands of lives and setting the stage for the Khmer Rouge? Just for starters
There’s also his ties to the Pinochet regime if that tickles your fancy
“… exact quotes can be misinformation.”
sub_ubi, on interpreting historical figure quotes without the full context.
historical figure quotes
He’s DEAD?!?! I didn’t hear about it.
… Yes. Happened yesterday. It’s why you’re saying tons of news related to this asshole.
That’s out of context, don’t be a pedant. Kissinger’s full quote is included and it’s representative of his meaning.
Vietnam or Cambodia, probably
“Exact quotes can be misinformation” I’m glad we agree. In all seriousness, it’s not exactly hard to intentionally or even accidentally mischaracterize a direct quote by taking it out of context.
As for the worst things, I think the Bangladesh genocide is not mentioned enough. Though if you type into google “Henry Kissinger [insert any country here]” you’ll definitely find something horrific.
They said disinformation, not misinformation. Disinformation and misinformation are both information that’s incorrect. The difference between dis-and-misinformation is intent; disinformation is spread with the express purpose of misleading.
A direct quote can be taken out of context or manipulated to convey a false message.
If I quote you out of context, I can make you appear to hold any position I’d like.
That’s a classic disinformation tactic. Happens in every political campaign.
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You probably don’t do a lot of things IRL that would make masses of people potentially very angry at you and hunting for ways to demonize you.
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