i want to remotely ssh to my home server, and I was wondering if I could just forward port 22 with disabling password login and use pubkey authentication will be safe enough?

  • kaipee@alien.topB
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    11 месяцев назад

    Disable password auth.

    Enable key only auth.

    Add in TOTP 2FA (google authenticator).

    Randomize the port (reduce bots) that forwards to 22.

    Configure lockout to block upon 3 failed attempts, for a long duration like 1 year. (Have a backup access on LAN).

    Ensure only the highest encryption ciphers are accepted.

    Ensure upgrades are applied to sshd at least monthly.

    • gnordli@alien.topB
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      11 месяцев назад

      If you are going all out, may as well add hosts.deny and hosts.allow.

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        11 месяцев назад

        Add port knocking, if we go all out, let’s go all out!

      • kaipee@alien.topB
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        11 месяцев назад

        Easy to do with known internal networks.

        Difficult to manage when roaming.

        • gnordli@alien.topB
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          11 месяцев назад

          Absolutely, just sometimes people forget those tools even exist. Of course, you can easily do the same thing with firewall rules as well.

          Also, that was a great tidbit about the pam email notification on successful logon. I haven’t seen that one before, thank you!!

    • ennova2005@alien.topB
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      11 месяцев назад

      Good summaries. How does the TOTP 2FA article handle drop/reconnects? TOTP needed for each reconnect attempt?

  • AnApexBread@alien.topB
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    11 месяцев назад

    disabling password login and use pubkey authentication will be safe enough?

    Just make sure you actually disable password login. Simply enabling key doesn’t disable password. So as long as the password is disabled then you’re fine.

  • chaplin2@alien.topB
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    11 месяцев назад

    If you disable password authentication, and use public key authentication, yes.

  • brandontaylor1@alien.topB
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    11 месяцев назад

    As long as password auth is disabled you’re fine. No one is cracking your RSA key. You can add Fail2Ban to reduce the log noise, but security wise it’s fine.

      • SR_Lut3t1um@alien.topB
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        11 месяцев назад

        Dont connect it to the internet too. Chances are even less likely that some navy seals kinda guys will steal you data with brute force. Also always keep explosives next to your hdds so once they do come you can explode them.

    • mshriver2@alien.topB
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      11 месяцев назад

      If you really want security you should also add UFW and restrict it to only your IP address.

    • DarthNihilus@alien.topB
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      11 месяцев назад

      Realistically no one is cracking my super long randomized password either. Seems fine to leave it on as backup login.

    • Hatta00@alien.topB
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      11 месяцев назад

      Change your port.

      No one’s cracking a proper implementation of RSA, but not every implementation is proper. A little obscurity can’t hurt.

      • pentesticals@alien.topB
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        11 месяцев назад

        Just waiting for everyone to come in saying you shouldn’t do this lol. Yes, changing the port is a nice little bonus. It doesn’t any extra security, but it moves you out of the way from the automated bots that scan the internet trying recent 0days. You’ll probably see a reduction of 99% traffic hitting the service and the only logs will be real people.

        • Oujii@alien.topB
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          11 месяцев назад

          only logs will be real people.

          There are bots that scan for open ports in minutes.

            • dal8moc@alien.topB
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              11 месяцев назад

              Which is easily defeated by using one block of ip addresses to gather data and another block for actually trying to exploit found ports. Unless you block the whole AS. If the attacker only uses one system with one ip they probably wouldn’t have the resources to get past ssh anyway.

              • Karyo_Ten@alien.topB
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                11 месяцев назад

                Behavior blocking can be done across many IPs.

                If you have one IP that scans port 10000, the other port 10001, and thousands of other IPs scanning just 1 port it’s still blatantly obvious.

                And if they want to scan in a less obvious manner they need to do this spaced by days.

          • pentesticals@alien.topB
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            11 месяцев назад

            Yes but most bots are scanning for common ports. It’s far too slow to scan 65k ports on every host. Even things like shodan only scan a handful of common ports. But you can test this yourself, expose SSH on a port number in 20-40ks, I’ve seen several weeks without a single probe.

            If you’ve ever done mass scanning you know that’s minutes is not going to to be a full scan and if you are trying to do 65k ports in a few minutes, your results will not be accurate.

    • kaipee@alien.topB
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      11 месяцев назад

      How is a VPN service more secure than an SSH service?

      Both accept login.

      Both provide can be brute forced / if using password.

      • Internal-Initial-835@alien.topB
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        Generally speaking. VPN is easier to setup securely out of the box for most especially with limited knowledge. You can choose a random port and then have access to any server on your network. Scanners won’t usually test all ports unless they find something that’s tempting.

        Normally just the normal ports will be poked including 22. SSH can be secured well but not without jumping through a few hoops. It’s easier imho to accidentally allow access through incorrect ssh setup than vpn.

        When you think vpn has been developed with this exact purpose in mind. It’s fair to assume the protection will be better out of the box. If you have a vpn then a hacker needs to get through the vpn and then also the ssh so there’s not really any disadvantage to using a vpn and then also harden ssh if you want to.

        It’s about making things difficult. Nobody is going to spend days or weeks battering a vpn if they don’t think there’s anything useful behind it. A VPN also shows somewhat that you’ve given things consideration and are not an easy target.

        Don’t get me wrong. If somebody is determined enough and has the resources then they will find a way but given the choice between an easy target and one that’s ever so slightly more difficult, they will almost always go for the easiest.

          • Internal-Initial-835@alien.topB
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            11 месяцев назад

            A “top” audit company pushing their own agenda.

            OpenVPN is simple and easy to deploy on any major operating system. Pfsense or similar is easy to setup and run in a VM. That does all the hard work for you and creates a profile. Then you essentially copy or download that profile to the client machine and you’re done. It’s all done via gui or web interface so is easier for a lot of people. My sister managed it. She wouldn’t have been able to handle command line stuff.

            Like i said before though. Why not use a vpn and also harden your ssh. I can’t see a downside to that.

            It’s just my opinion and experience from working with both. You’re welcome to dissagree and do your own thing though of course :)

      • sdR-h0m13@alien.topB
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        WireGuard uses UDP and will not respond if the attacker doesn’t have the correct key. So the port used by WG will appears as a closed port.

    • Scruffy-Nerd@alien.topB
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      I think many ppl are missing a step here. Setup a VPN with wireguard or similar. Then in ur sshd configs only allow ssh from ur VPN local subnet. That on top of ssh key login is pretty secure. Unless one of ur other services gets compromised and they pivot to ur VPN network. Then u prob have more problems tbh

  • SamSausages@alien.topB
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    Yes and no.

    Yes if you have the resources to monitor and update. Companies have entire teams dedicated to this.

    No if you don’t have the resources/time to keep up with it regularly.

    IMO, no need to take this risk when you have services like Tailscale available today.

  • InfaSyn@alien.topB
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    11 месяцев назад

    With PubKey and Fail2Ban its probably ok but wouldnt chance it personally. Can you use a different port too?

  • ripnetuk@alien.topB
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    I would risk it. After all, it’s the only thing protecting my entire gitlab account. If someone could break my ssh, they could do what they want to my gitlab presence,and I’m guessing someone at gitlab is paid and qualified to make that call.

  • dev_all_the_ops@alien.topB
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    Port forwarding will work, but it has major downsides

    1. Will draw attention of bots
    2. Secure as long as there are no security holes in openssh (which is rare but has happened)
    3. You _must_ harden the ssh server by disabling password auth, putting behind fail2ban

    There are far better and safer alternatives that I would recommend over exposing a raw port to the world.

    1. Tailscale
    2. Wireguard/OpenVPN
    • Innominate8@alien.topB
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      1. The bots are looking anyways.
      2. The other options being presented are various VPNs. OpenSSH has far more eyes on it, for much longer than any of the VPNs. Both generally run as root on the host and so have similar attack surfaces.
      3. Disabling password auth is less important than having good passwords, but is still a good idea since turning off passwords guarantees no bad passwords. Fail2ban provides no security.
  • jerwong@alien.topB
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    Yes, it’s perfectly safe. Keep it patched, use strong ciphers, use key authentication, and set up an IDS like Fail2Ban or CrowdSec.